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[Kristina Anderson]

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On 4/2/2011 4:19 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
> Hmm...good points Kristina and it brought up a few things I'd not
> considered. Perhaps I need to raise my rates a bit.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 04/02/2011 03:17 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
>> Most programmers on this esteemed list, including those who are located
>> in remote areas of the U.S., agree that working for substantially less
>> than $50 sets a bad example and undercuts a living wage for the whole
>> lot of us.  I know many programmers outside of NYC who also earn the
>> standard $50 an hour and I think that, for anyone of any reasonable
>> expertise and experience, between $45-50 is a very reasonable benchmark
>> and for costing out "lump sum" projects, the $2,000 a week figure is
>> useful.
>>
>> Bear in mind that for every hour we bill out, we also incur the cost of
>> expenses, business losses through unpaid invoices, unpaid time spent
>> marketing, bookkeeping etc.  In reality, billing at $25 an hour would
>> lead to a poverty income for any consultant, unless they were
>> consistently able to bill 60+ hours each&  every week of the year, which
>> is not a reasonable or pleasant expectation.
>>
>> Kristina
>>
>> On 4/2/2011 3:56 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>>> Well, my point wasn't so much an exact price but rather that the rate
>>> you charge largely has to do with where you're providing services. Since
>>> I'm not sure where Bruce is (I am assuming NYC but I don't know) I
>>> simply used a number I'd seen elsewhere. The number itself is
>>> meaningless, really, but the idea was what I was trying to convey.
>>>
>>> You're right though that 'website design' probably does differ a lot in
>>> rate from programming but numbers weren't my point. :-)
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/02/2011 02:39 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
>>>> That is incorrect.  Perhaps a few programmers at Wall Street firms are
>>>> getting $90 an hour, but the going rate for normal folks here in NYC is
>>>> about $50/hr.
>>>>
>>>> Although for sure plenty of folks come onto the NYC list and try to
>>>> undercut our rates...
>>>>
>>>> Also "website redesign" is not usually programming but involves other
>>>> skills (like CSS, graphics design, etc).  I would not be surprised to
>>>> see rates differ between that and actual programming tasks.
>>>>
>>>> Kristina
>>>>
>>>> On 4/2/2011 12:04 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it largely depends where you are. For example, if you're in
>>>>> NYC, you can easily command a *much* higher rate than I can here in
>>>>> Oklahoma. In NYC, the going rate is $90+ an hour I hear while I work
>>>>> comfortably here for $25.50 to $30 an hour. So depending on where you
>>>>> are, you might not be undercharging at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check your competition and see what they charge. Set your prices
>>>>> according to your local market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/11, Bruce Martin<bmartin at mac.com>    wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all, I was wondering how much the going rate for a website
>>>>>> redesign is
>>>>>> going for now days. I am always turned down in my town for charging
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> much, but I really can't see doing a site for less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I am under charging. Sorry to bring this up but it is really
>>>>>> eating
>>>>>> away at me, as I know I would have loved to been in on this bidding,
>>>>>> if in
>>>>>> deed it did go up for bid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce Martin
>>>>>> c. 917-727-8230
>>>>>> p. 570-421-0670
>>>>>> bmartin at mac.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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