From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sun Feb  1 07:27:57 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:27:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Opera
Message-ID: <20090201122753.OCCW8920.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Opera lets you edit cookies!

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From greg at freephile.com  Sun Feb  1 09:54:17 2009
From: greg at freephile.com (Greg Rundlett)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:54:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Opera
In-Reply-To: <20090201122753.OCCW8920.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090201122753.OCCW8920.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <5e2aaca40902010654h73b72297kb76e4df08d80d11c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Opera lets you edit cookies!
>

This post [1] mentions ~15 Firefox extensions for managing cookies --
but doesn't mention Web Developer [2] (which I think is a must-have
firefox extension).  Web Developer lets you create/read/update/delete
cookies.  Just posting this in case somebody out there is looking to
edit cookies in Firefox.

[1] http://mashable.com/2008/11/11/firefox-extensions-for-managing-cookies/
[2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60

The Firefox extensions that I have found useful:
Fast Video Download
FEBE
Firebug
Foxmarks
Gmail Space
Greasemonkey
Live HTTP headers
Locator
Minimap Addon
NoScript
Password Exporter
Poster
Tab Mix Plus
Tails Export
Tamper Data
Torbutton
Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
Web Developer
YSlow

-- 
Greg Rundlett
Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
http://iic.harvard.edu
camb 617-384-5872
nbpt 978-225-8302
m. 978-764-4424
-skype/aim/irc/twitter freephile
http://profiles.aim.com/freephile


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sun Feb  1 12:15:25 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:15:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Another stupid thing
Message-ID: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I'm sorry for all these stupid posts.  I'm in the middle of a learning
process.  It's always darkest before the dawn.

 

I see cookies are viewable and editable.

 

Does anyone know if any browsers allow the user to view and edit the request
Authorization?

 

If I hack the mod_auth_digest file to include mysql, which I haven't
verified is totally possible, yet, am I wasting my time.

 

Basic authorization isn't flexible enough.

 

What I want is to use AuthType in a secure fashion.

 

Does it work like that?

 

Is that stupid, too?

 

I'm not going to be using real Digest on my server, why does mod_auth_mysql
have to be Basic?

 

Margaret

 

 

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Feb  1 12:57:43 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:57:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Another stupid thing
In-Reply-To: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <20090201175743.GA18987@panix.com>

Michelle:

> I see cookies are viewable and editable.
> 
> Does anyone know if any browsers allow the user to view and edit the request
> Authorization?

Absolutely _everything_ sent to the server can be edited in one way or 
another.  This includes things such as, but not limited to, user agents, 
cookies, auth information, form submissions, request URIs.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Sun Feb  1 16:44:47 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:44:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Final Question
Message-ID: <20090201214447.GSZQ4789.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I was looking a phpinfo().  It lists the header info.

I'm reading an article that the browser typically stores the realm.

Why can I not see this in phpinfo()?  Is it in the request authorization or
not?  

When the browser popups up the authentication window it lists the realm.

 

Michele

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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 08:47:55 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:47:55 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Opera
In-Reply-To: <5e2aaca40902010654h73b72297kb76e4df08d80d11c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090201122753.OCCW8920.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5e2aaca40902010654h73b72297kb76e4df08d80d11c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0902020547u31bc56a1o83e5e1d07c2cdca5@mail.gmail.com>

i use 'Cookie Editor', it lets you list the cookies and edit them, works
very good

fernando


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Greg Rundlett <greg at freephile.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > Opera lets you edit cookies!
> >
>
> This post [1] mentions ~15 Firefox extensions for managing cookies --
> but doesn't mention Web Developer [2] (which I think is a must-have
> firefox extension).  Web Developer lets you create/read/update/delete
> cookies.  Just posting this in case somebody out there is looking to
> edit cookies in Firefox.
>
> [1]
> http://mashable.com/2008/11/11/firefox-extensions-for-managing-cookies/
> [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
>
> The Firefox extensions that I have found useful:
> Fast Video Download
> FEBE
> Firebug
> Foxmarks
> Gmail Space
> Greasemonkey
> Live HTTP headers
> Locator
> Minimap Addon
> NoScript
> Password Exporter
> Poster
> Tab Mix Plus
> Tails Export
> Tamper Data
> Torbutton
> Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
> Web Developer
> YSlow
>
> --
> Greg Rundlett
> Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
> http://iic.harvard.edu
> camb 617-384-5872
> nbpt 978-225-8302
> m. 978-764-4424
> -skype/aim/irc/twitter freephile
> http://profiles.aim.com/freephile
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 08:48:28 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:48:28 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Opera
In-Reply-To: <be1d525a0902020547u31bc56a1o83e5e1d07c2cdca5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090201122753.OCCW8920.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5e2aaca40902010654h73b72297kb76e4df08d80d11c@mail.gmail.com>
	<be1d525a0902020547u31bc56a1o83e5e1d07c2cdca5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0902020548m4e98a9a0uf77859709c74f506@mail.gmail.com>

AnEC Cookie Editor v0.2.1.3 <-- thats the complete name

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Fernando Gabrieli <fgabrieli at gmail.com>wrote:

> i use 'Cookie Editor', it lets you list the cookies and edit them, works
> very good
>
> fernando
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Greg Rundlett <greg at freephile.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Opera lets you edit cookies!
>> >
>>
>> This post [1] mentions ~15 Firefox extensions for managing cookies --
>> but doesn't mention Web Developer [2] (which I think is a must-have
>> firefox extension).  Web Developer lets you create/read/update/delete
>> cookies.  Just posting this in case somebody out there is looking to
>> edit cookies in Firefox.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://mashable.com/2008/11/11/firefox-extensions-for-managing-cookies/
>> [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
>>
>> The Firefox extensions that I have found useful:
>> Fast Video Download
>> FEBE
>> Firebug
>> Foxmarks
>> Gmail Space
>> Greasemonkey
>> Live HTTP headers
>> Locator
>> Minimap Addon
>> NoScript
>> Password Exporter
>> Poster
>> Tab Mix Plus
>> Tails Export
>> Tamper Data
>> Torbutton
>> Ubuntu Firefox Modifications
>> Web Developer
>> YSlow
>>
>> --
>> Greg Rundlett
>> Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
>> http://iic.harvard.edu
>> camb 617-384-5872
>> nbpt 978-225-8302
>> m. 978-764-4424
>> -skype/aim/irc/twitter freephile
>> http://profiles.aim.com/freephile
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 08:52:05 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:52:05 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Another stupid thing
In-Reply-To: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0902020552g451a9a86g5661609204d94340@mail.gmail.com>

you could use HTTPS and a simple form for authentication...that would be
transparent to PHP and could implement a secure solution for logging users
in, i am not sure if this is what you need


fernando


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>wrote:

>  I'm sorry for all these stupid posts.  I'm in the middle of a learning
> process.  It's always darkest before the dawn.
>
>
>
> I see cookies are viewable and editable.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if any browsers allow the user to view and edit the
> request Authorization?
>
>
>
> If I hack the mod_auth_digest file to include mysql, which I haven't
> verified is totally possible, yet, am I wasting my time.
>
>
>
> Basic authorization isn't flexible enough.
>
>
>
> What I want is to use AuthType in a secure fashion.
>
>
>
> Does it work like that?
>
>
>
> Is that stupid, too?
>
>
>
> I'm not going to be using real Digest on my server, why does mod_auth_mysql
> have to be Basic?
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From ioplex at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 11:44:11 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:44:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Another stupid thing
In-Reply-To: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860902020844r75871ab9w9c9bef8f84e64e40@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry for all these stupid posts.  I'm in the middle of a learning
> process.  It's always darkest before the dawn.
>
>
>
> I see cookies are viewable and editable.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if any browsers allow the user to view and edit the request
> Authorization?

You have to assume that everything being transmitted by the browser
can be modified.

For example, there is a tool called "Burp Proxy" that allows you to
intercept regular browser communication, modify it in some way such as
by adding or removing a header like a cookie and then sending the
modified request to the real target. This is the sort of thing that
hackers use to find holes in web applications.

> If I hack the mod_auth_digest file to include mysql, which I haven't
> verified is totally possible, yet, am I wasting my time.
>
>
>
> Basic authorization isn't flexible enough.
>
>
>
> What I want is to use AuthType in a secure fashion.
>
>
>
> Does it work like that?
>
>
>
> Is that stupid, too?
>
>
>
> I'm not going to be using real Digest on my server, why does mod_auth_mysql
> have to be Basic?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to do but usually
authentication is built into the application where possible because
then you have control over how passwords are stored, managed and you
have script level access to user information and associated groups and
preferences. If you use mod_auth_something, you're just putting a gate
in front of a directory and you have limited your account management
options. Those modules are for throwing up protection in front of
existing applications that cannot easily be modified. If you're
writing something new in PHP that is quite the opposite case.

IMO everyone storing passwords in a database should associate them
with accounts and use a standard hashing method. For example, a very
common method is a base 64 salted SHA which is computed in PHP as
follows:

  $salt = substr(md5(mt_rand(), true), 0, 4);
  $ctx = hash_init('sha1');
  hash_update($ctx, $password);
  hash_update($ctx, $salt);
  $hash = hash_final($ctx, true);
  return '{SSHA}' . base64_encode($hash . $salt);

This will give you an ASCII based string like:

  {SSHA}7d819b5bab847634b091211de1ee6c587634

Put this whole string in the DB (including the {SSHA}). To validate a
password you need to retrieve the above hash string, base64 decode it,
extract the salt from the end, compute the hash and compare that to
the begging of the hahs. This method is strong because it's salted and
uses SHA and uses a standard hashing method which allows you to
transfer the passwords to other storages that are more likely to
understand them such that you don't need to have users change their
passwords after the transfer. Another developer can take one look at
the hash string and know exactly how to compute it.

This is how I would do it anyway. Most people actually invent their
own password storage method reasoning that the obscurity of it adds a
level of protection. That logic is incorrect.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From paul at devonianfarm.com  Mon Feb  2 13:05:51 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:05:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Another stupid thing
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860902020844r75871ab9w9c9bef8f84e64e40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090201171521.FTXZ6616.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<78c6bd860902020844r75871ab9w9c9bef8f84e64e40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498735FF.6030402@devonianfarm.com>

    Digest authentication doesn't really work because the different 
browser and server vendors never achieved interoperability.

    If you're worried about transmissions being intercepted,  use SSL.  
Both Apache 2 and IIS have SSL built in,  so it's straightforward to 
implement.  You can spend as much as you like on an SSL certificate,  
but you can get them cheap from godaddy or sign them yourself for 
internal products with no budget.

    Note that sites like yahoo,  google,  amazon,  twitter,  ebay,  and 
digg don't use Basic Auth,  Digest Auth or any of the Auth systems built 
into the http standard.  They use the unofficial standard that's 
described in the following paper:

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/webauth:sec10.pdf





From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Mon Feb  2 13:44:14 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:44:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Httpd
Message-ID: <20090202184414.CXNI4789.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Can someone direct me to a apache forum other than
http://httpd.apache.org/lists.html.  I gotten no response.

I modified mod_auth_digest to use mysql and crypt, but the crypt symbol is
undefined when I try to restart apache.

I configured httpd with ./configure  --enable-modules=all
--enable-mods-shared=all --enable-so --with-included-apr

I modified config_var.mk MOD_AUTH_DIGEST_LDADD with -lm -lz -luuid -lrt
-lcrypt

Still crypt is undefined.  I can seem to properly link in crypt.  I include
#include <unistd.h> and <crypt.h> 

/usr/lib/mysql is in the ld.so.conf whereas /usr/lib is not.  Randomly
adding it in doesn't seem to work.

I've set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and LD_RUN_PATH environment variable to
/usr/lib.

I'm at my wits end.

This is the apxs -i -a -L/usr/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -L/usr/lib -luuid -lrt
-lcrypt -lz -lm -c mod_auth_digest.c output.

I also tried generating it as part of a httpd compile.

 

/usr/local/apache2/bin/httpd/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr/libtool
--mode=compile gcc -prefer-pic   -DLINUX=2

 -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -g -O2 -pthread
-I/usr/local/apache2/include  -I/usr/local/src/http

d-2.2.8/srclib/apr/include
-I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr-util/include
-I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib

/apr-util/xml/expat/lib -I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/os/unix  -c -o
mod_auth_digest.lo mod_auth_digest.c && touch mod

_auth_digest.slo

 gcc -DLINUX=2 -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -g -O2
-pthread -I/usr/local/apache2/include -I/usr/l

ocal/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr/include
-I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr-util/include
-I/usr/local/src/httpd-2

.2.8/srclib/apr-util/xml/expat/lib -I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/os/unix -c
mod_auth_digest.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/mo

d_auth_digest.o

 gcc -DLINUX=2 -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -g -O2
-pthread -I/usr/local/apache2/include -I/usr/l

ocal/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr/include
-I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr-util/include
-I/usr/local/src/httpd-2

.2.8/srclib/apr-util/xml/expat/lib -I/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/os/unix -c
mod_auth_digest.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o mod_auth

_digest.o >/dev/null 2>&1

/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr/libtool  --mode=link gcc -o
mod_auth_digest.la  -L/usr/lib/mysql -L/usr/lib -lm

ysqlclient -luuid -lrt -lcrypt -lz -lm -rpath /usr/local/apache2/modules
-module -avoid-version    mod_auth_digest.lo

rm -fr  .libs/mod_auth_digest.a .libs/mod_auth_digest.la
.libs/mod_auth_digest.lai .libs/mod_auth_digest.so

gcc -shared  .libs/mod_auth_digest.o  -L/usr/lib/mysql -L/usr/lib
-lmysqlclient -luuid -lrt -lcrypt -lz -lm  -Wl,-son

ame -Wl,mod_auth_digest.so -o .libs/mod_auth_digest.so

ar cru .libs/mod_auth_digest.a  mod_auth_digest.o

ranlib .libs/mod_auth_digest.a

creating mod_auth_digest.la

(cd .libs && rm -f mod_auth_digest.la && ln -s ../mod_auth_digest.la
mod_auth_digest.la)

/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/build/instdso.sh
SH_LIBTOOL='/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr/libtool' mod_auth_diges

t.la /usr/local/apache2/modules

/usr/local/src/httpd-2.2.8/srclib/apr/libtool --mode=install cp
mod_auth_digest.la /usr/local/apache2/modules/

cp .libs/mod_auth_digest.so /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.so

cp .libs/mod_auth_digest.lai /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.la

cp .libs/mod_auth_digest.a /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.a

chmod 644 /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.a

ranlib /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.a

PATH="$PATH:/sbin" ldconfig -n /usr/local/apache2/modules

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Libraries have been installed in:

   /usr/local/apache2/modules

 

If you ever happen to want to link against installed libraries

in a given directory, LIBDIR, you must either use libtool, and

specify the full pathname of the library, or use the `-LLIBDIR'

flag during linking and do at least one of the following:

   - add LIBDIR to the `LD_LIBRARY_PATH' environment variable

     during execution

   - add LIBDIR to the `LD_RUN_PATH' environment variable

     during linking

   - use the `-Wl,--rpath -Wl,LIBDIR' linker flag

   - have your system administrator add LIBDIR to `/etc/ld.so.conf'

 

See any operating system documentation about shared libraries for

more information, such as the ld(1) and ld.so(8) manual pages.

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chmod 755 /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.so

 

Michele

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From ioplex at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 14:11:17 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:11:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cookie authenticators
Message-ID: <78c6bd860902021111h5ba133bdy8f247b2de845b47b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com> wrote:
>   Note that sites like yahoo,  google,  amazon,  twitter,  ebay,  and digg
> don't use Basic Auth,  Digest Auth or any of the Auth systems built into the
> http standard.  They use the unofficial standard that's described in the
> following paper:
>
> http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/papers/webauth:sec10.pdf

This looks like a fun paper (the WSJ.com hack is forehead smacking
funny). But from looking at it briefly, I'm a little confused. It's
all about using cookie authenticators but it doesn't explain why one
would use cookie authenticators. My understanding is that cookie
authenticators are mostly only useful for allowing the authentication
state to persist across visits. Otherwise, you wouldn't need to use
cookies at all - you could just store the authenticator in the HTTP
session on the server. From a security perspective, cookies can be
sniffed just like session ids so there's not a great benefit there.
But the paper also has a section that says "do not use persistent
cookies" since another user on the system could copy the cookie and
gain access to your account but that would completely defeat the
purpose of using cookie authenticators as it would be easier to simply
use a server side authenticator.

It seems to me, if you want persistent authentication, cookie
authenticators must persist. And the only real benefit they provider
in terms of security is that session ids can be leaked in URLs whereas
cookies cannot (minus browser bugs that allow stealing cookies).

Are client side cookie authenticators really more *secure* than server
side session authenticators? Or do cookie authenticators actually
reduce security but are used anyway because persistent authentication
is a required user experience feature?

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From lists at zaunere.com  Mon Feb  2 14:24:54 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Httpd
In-Reply-To: <20090202184414.CXNI4789.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090202184414.CXNI4789.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <017f01c9856b$edb55a50$c9200ef0$@com>

> Can someone direct me to a apache forum other than
> http://httpd.apache.org/lists.html.  I gotten no response.
> 
> I modified mod_auth_digest to use mysql and crypt, but the crypt symbol
> is undefined when I try to restart apache.

What are you actually trying to do?  I doubt you need to hack Apache modules
to accomplish whatever it is.

There are modules to authenticate against a MySQL database.  Check out the
module listings for Apache.

But, seeing as this is a PHP list, you probably should use PHP/MySQL
together, which can do the authentication for you... like it does for
millions of other web sites.

H




From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Mon Feb  2 14:48:27 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:48:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Httpd
In-Reply-To: <017f01c9856b$edb55a50$c9200ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <20090202194826.FFDH4789.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

I want to check the Authorization header for the realm.  Can't do that with
Basic Authentication, because realm is not defined in that case.

There is one that authenticates against mysql.  It's called mod_auth_mysql.
But, it uses Basic authentication, which is insufficient.

Hacking the mod_auth_digest module was a simple process.  I simply switch
the actual user and password verification from the file to the database.
Who knows.  Maybe, it will be a new trend.  :-)  I left all of the nce stuff
in place.  But I can not get it to link to the standard library crypt for
some reason.  This is the biggest compilation problem I've ever had.  I've
tried everything I could think of, except apr_password_validate(sent_pw,
real_pw) instead of crypt.  Duh.  That should work.

I do use PHP_AUTH_USER for some stuff, just not this.  The site is a combo
of php, mysql, javascript, html, css and htaccess.

Plus, I'm dying to see if my modifications will fly.  If it works, it will
be pretty nifty.

I'm going to try that function now.

Michele

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:25 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Httpd

> Can someone direct me to a apache forum other than
> http://httpd.apache.org/lists.html.  I gotten no response.
> 
> I modified mod_auth_digest to use mysql and crypt, but the crypt symbol
> is undefined when I try to restart apache.

What are you actually trying to do?  I doubt you need to hack Apache modules
to accomplish whatever it is.

There are modules to authenticate against a MySQL database.  Check out the
module listings for Apache.

But, seeing as this is a PHP list, you probably should use PHP/MySQL
together, which can do the authentication for you... like it does for
millions of other web sites.

H


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From paul at devonianfarm.com  Mon Feb  2 15:03:21 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:03:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] cookie authenticators
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860902021111h5ba133bdy8f247b2de845b47b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78c6bd860902021111h5ba133bdy8f247b2de845b47b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49875189.1070809@devonianfarm.com>

Michael B Allen wrote:

> Otherwise, you wouldn't need to use
> cookies at all - you could just store the authenticator in the HTTP
> session on the server. From a security perspective, cookies can be
> sniffed just like session ids so there's not a great benefit there.
> But the paper also has a section that says "do not use persistent
> cookies" since another user on the system could copy the cookie and
> gain access to your account but that would completely defeat the
> purpose of using cookie authenticators as it would be easier to simply
> use a server side authenticator.
>
>   
    Four things.

     (1) The server has to give the browser something to connect the 
browser to a particular server side session.  This either going to be a 
cookie or it's going to be a token in the URL or maybe it's going to be 
private data in a flash or silverlight app. 

    (2) Server-side sessions have all sorts of problems.  The details 
depend on your language,  but there's always a devil in them.  For 
instance,  there's a global lock on PHP sessions that hurts the 
scalability of PHP apps that use sessions.  ASP.NET,  on the other 
hand,  dumps the session jar on the floor whenever the server has a 
glitch or when the .NET assemblies from the sites are reloaded.  This is 
why imeem.com logs me out two to three times a day:  it's fair to say 
that I think about joining another music site every time that that happens.

    (3) Server-side session mechanisms are also bound to a particular 
environment:  in the real world,  organizations often need to work with 
multiple languages:  it's quite possible to use signed cookies to 
authenticate against applications in PHP,  Java,  Perl,  Ruby,  Cold 
Fusion and ASP.NET.  (I've done it)  A decent implementation is about 
100 lines of code.

    (4) Signed cookies scale,  since you don't need to look at a 
database to validate them.

> It seems to me, if you want persistent authentication, cookie
> authenticators must persist. And the only real benefit they provider
> in terms of security is that session ids can be leaked in URLs whereas
> cookies cannot (minus browser bugs that allow stealing cookies).
>
> Are client side cookie authenticators really more *secure* than server
> side session authenticators? Or do cookie authenticators actually
> reduce security but are used anyway because persistent authentication
> is a required user experience feature?
>   
   You have to look at the details.  The signed cookie system described 
in that paper can be analyzed on it's own.  A security analysis of a 
system based on say PHP or ASP.NET sessions requires an analysis of the 
session mechanism.  A one-line code change in the session system in a 
future version of your platform could break the security of the system 
without you even noticing it.  Systems that put a token in the URL can 
be manipulated:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_fixation

    Since mainstream server-based sessions are passing some token in the 
clear,  sessions can be stolen by packet sniffing.  You can certainly 
use some cryptography powered by Javascript or Silverlight or something 
to defeat certain packet sniffing attacks,  but public key methods need 
some kind of trusted authority to defend against man-in-the-middle 
attacks.  That's what SSL certificates should provide -- and you should 
be using SSL if this is a concern.

------------

    Another issue that you're talking about is the "remember me" option 
that we see on a lot of public facing sites.  Amazon.com is a good 
example,  because they support different kinds of activities:  (i) 
community and (ii) commerce.  Community sites really need "remember me" 
to be viable.  If I had to log into facebook every time I got an e-mail 
saying that a friend tagged a photo of me,  I wouldn't do it.  Amazon 
lets you use the low-security functions of the site with a remembered 
token,  but forces you to type your password to do anything that's 
security sensitive.

    "Remember me" is generally done by generating a random token in the 
database,  putting it in a cookie,  and checking the cookie against a 
database -- if there is a match,  you create a cryptographically signed 
session.  The database lookup is required because you need the ability 
to revoke a token when a user wants to "log out".

   







From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 15:46:24 2009
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:46:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to article about nested sets
Message-ID: <330532b60902021246k14c00209u658ebbb38a7be954@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for the cross-post, I can't remember if this was a request
from NYPHP or the NYCJUG. *blush*

Somebody at the last meet was asking about nested sets, and I promised
to get them the URL:

http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/hierarchical-data.html

-- Mitch


From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Mon Feb  2 16:07:34 2009
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:07:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] large file uploads with cgi php
Message-ID: <49876096.9060902@nyphp.com>

I have a site on a shared host where PHP is running as a CGI. I
need to allow file uploads larger than the default 7M.

The host tells me that I can create a local php.ini with the
appropriate settings and a wrapper that execs the system
php5.cgi, and then in .htaccess add php5-cgi as a php handler,
with a pointer to the wrapper. I did all this but the effect is
that no pre-processing at all is going on.

Does anybody have ideas about (1) what I might do as an
alternative (short of changing hosts), or (2) what might be wrong
with the way I'm trying to do this (I am admittedly flying
near-blind here)?

-- 
=================
Michael Southwell
Vice President, Education
NYPHP TRAINING:  http://nyphp.com/Training/Indepth


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Mon Feb  2 16:14:40 2009
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:14:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to article about nested sets
In-Reply-To: <330532b60902021246k14c00209u658ebbb38a7be954@mail.gmail.com>
References: <330532b60902021246k14c00209u658ebbb38a7be954@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49876240.7050409@phpwerx.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> Apologies for the cross-post, I can't remember if this was a request
> from NYPHP or the NYCJUG. *blush*
> 
> Somebody at the last meet was asking about nested sets, and I promised
> to get them the URL:
> 
> http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/hierarchical-data.html

Ahh yes, good old nested sets.  I still prefer the hybrid approach I
took with phpGACL (http://phpgacl.sf.net) and my old clew demo that
stores both both adjacency and nsm data.

For a very small storage overhead you get the benefits of both
approaches (try pulling immediate children from an nsm tree) and the
ability to rebuild the nsm data from scratch if it gets especially
messed up (not that there would ever be bugs...).

I've been meaning to sit down and try to figure out a variation using
intervals between the lft and rgt values so that inserts are cheaper,
just haven't had a project that needed it enough to motivate me yet!

If anyone wants to pick apart my old implementations feel free to check
out http://clew.phpwerx.net/, the source code is linked at the bottom.

Dan


From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Mon Feb  2 16:36:58 2009
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:36:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] large file uploads - clarification
Message-ID: <4987677A.9020606@nyphp.com>

actually, upon more investigation, I find that the replacement php.ini 
is indeed being read, and some pre-processing is actually taking place. 
But <?= $variableName ?> is not getting parsed, and is instead getting 
inserted into the output stream. Short_open-tag is set to off but that's 
something different. Any ideas about what might be going on here? (This 
also seems to break JavaScript, by the way.)

-- 
=================
Michael Southwell
Vice President, Education
NYPHP TRAINING:  http://nyphp.com/Training/Indepth


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Mon Feb  2 16:41:08 2009
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:41:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] large file uploads - clarification
In-Reply-To: <4987677A.9020606@nyphp.com>
References: <4987677A.9020606@nyphp.com>
Message-ID: <49876874.50105@phpwerx.net>

Michael Southwell wrote:
> actually, upon more investigation, I find that the replacement php.ini
> is indeed being read, and some pre-processing is actually taking place.
> But <?= $variableName ?> is not getting parsed, and is instead getting
> inserted into the output stream. Short_open-tag is set to off but that's
> something different. Any ideas about what might be going on here? (This
> also seems to break JavaScript, by the way.)

Are you sure about that?  AFAIK short_open_tag off will prevent using
that syntax.  You can turn it on in your custom php.ini.

Dan



From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Mon Feb  2 16:57:48 2009
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:57:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] large file uploads - clarification
In-Reply-To: <49876874.50105@phpwerx.net>
References: <4987677A.9020606@nyphp.com> <49876874.50105@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <49876C5C.60901@nyphp.com>

Dan Cech wrote:
> 
> Are you sure about that?  AFAIK short_open_tag off will prevent using
> that syntax. 

Well, I'll be..... you learn something new every day, and unfortunately 
a lot of the time it's something you should have known before. Problem 
solved. Thanks, Dan!


-- 
=================
Michael Southwell
Vice President, Education
NYPHP TRAINING:  http://nyphp.com/Training/Indepth


From tmpvar at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 17:16:13 2009
From: tmpvar at gmail.com (Elijah Insua)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:16:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to article about nested sets
In-Reply-To: <49876240.7050409@phpwerx.net>
References: <330532b60902021246k14c00209u658ebbb38a7be954@mail.gmail.com>
	<49876240.7050409@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <2b4feca10902021416u600d96cdu556077566c588804@mail.gmail.com>

demo appears to be broken

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net> wrote:

> Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> > Apologies for the cross-post, I can't remember if this was a request
> > from NYPHP or the NYCJUG. *blush*
> >
> > Somebody at the last meet was asking about nested sets, and I promised
> > to get them the URL:
> >
> > http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/hierarchical-data.html
>
> Ahh yes, good old nested sets.  I still prefer the hybrid approach I
> took with phpGACL (http://phpgacl.sf.net) and my old clew demo that
> stores both both adjacency and nsm data.
>
> For a very small storage overhead you get the benefits of both
> approaches (try pulling immediate children from an nsm tree) and the
> ability to rebuild the nsm data from scratch if it gets especially
> messed up (not that there would ever be bugs...).
>
> I've been meaning to sit down and try to figure out a variation using
> intervals between the lft and rgt values so that inserts are cheaper,
> just haven't had a project that needed it enough to motivate me yet!
>
> If anyone wants to pick apart my old implementations feel free to check
> out http://clew.phpwerx.net/, the source code is linked at the bottom.
>
> Dan
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 18:02:18 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:02:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to article about nested sets
In-Reply-To: <49876240.7050409@phpwerx.net>
References: <330532b60902021246k14c00209u658ebbb38a7be954@mail.gmail.com>
	<49876240.7050409@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690902021502q3bb3af0cn1571485eed225407@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net> wrote:
> Ahh yes, good old nested sets.  I still prefer the hybrid approach I
> took with phpGACL (http://phpgacl.sf.net) and my old clew demo that
> stores both both adjacency and nsm data.
>
> For a very small storage overhead you get the benefits of both
> approaches (try pulling immediate children from an nsm tree) and the
> ability to rebuild the nsm data from scratch if it gets especially
> messed up (not that there would ever be bugs...).
>
> I've been meaning to sit down and try to figure out a variation using
> intervals between the lft and rgt values so that inserts are cheaper,
> just haven't had a project that needed it enough to motivate me yet!

We use left+right+parentId, so that immediate children are easy to find.

It works pretty well to bulk-insert a bunch of empty nodes and then
use them up as you go (to cut down on insert time). That's not going
to be a good solution if your inserts are really spread out all over
the tree, but in the apps I've built so far the majority of inserts
happen at just a few nodes. Cron can be used to keep a ready supply of
fresh nodes in those locations, and you take nearly the same
performance hit whether you insert one or 50.

If you use NSM, definitely write a test script that bulks up the tree
so you can see what performance is like with 50k nodes vs. 500k nodes.
You're going to notice, and you need to be prepared for it.

Some kind of interval-based partitioning will probably be necessary if
you need to run on a standard server with > 100k nodes, or if you are
going to try to catch a lot of inserts at the same time.


From ps at blu-studio.com  Mon Feb  2 19:43:46 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:43:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
Message-ID: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>

If you still know additional high-profile corp. or 
non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list 
below, please reply with your additions.

Yahoo  www.yahoo.com       
Facebook  www.facebook.com         
Amazon  www.amazon.com
Flickr  www.flickr.com
Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
UNICEF www.unicef.org
UNESCO www.unesco.org
Audubon Society www.audubon.org
CancerCare www.cancercare.org
Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
NAACP www.naacp.org
The Fund for Peace www.fundforpeace.org
Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
NY Times  www.nytimes.com
MTV  www.mtv.com
United Nations  www.un.org 

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 





From ps at blu-studio.com  Mon Feb  2 23:31:52 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:31:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
Message-ID: <003701c985b8$56e8e4f0$04baaed0$@com>

Well, I added a few more myself...

Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
Facebook  www.facebook.com
Amazon  www.amazon.com
Flickr  www.flickr.com
Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
Second Life www.secondlife.com

Harvard University  www.harvard.edu
Amherst College  www.amherst.edu
Tufts University www.tufts.edu

Nobel Prize Foundation www.nobelprize.org
Hearst Foundation  www.hearstfdn.org
Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org

Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
Audubon Society www.audubon.org
UNICEF www.unicef.org
UNESCO www.unesco.org
CancerCare www.cancercare.org
Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
Magic Johnson Foundation www.magicjohnson.com
NAACP www.naacp.org
Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
United Nations  www.un.org

Museum of Contemporary Art Los Angeles www.moca.org
Art Institute of Chicago www.artic.edu
Museum of Modern Art (NYC)  www.moma.org
American Museum of Natural History (NYC) www.amnh.org
Brooklyn Museum  www.brooklynmuseum.org

NY Times  www.nytimes.com
International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
MTV  www.mtv.com

Port Authority of NY & NJ www.panynj.gov
NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
Central Park (NYC) www.centralpark.com

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:44 PM
To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web

If you still know additional high-profile corp. or 
non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list 
below, please reply with your additions.

Yahoo  www.yahoo.com       
Facebook  www.facebook.com         
Amazon  www.amazon.com
Flickr  www.flickr.com
Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
UNICEF www.unicef.org
UNESCO www.unesco.org
Audubon Society www.audubon.org
CancerCare www.cancercare.org
Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
NAACP www.naacp.org
The Fund for Peace www.fundforpeace.org
Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
NY Times  www.nytimes.com
MTV  www.mtv.com
United Nations  www.un.org 

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 



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From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 23:52:42 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:52:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <003701c985b8$56e8e4f0$04baaed0$@com>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
	<003701c985b8$56e8e4f0$04baaed0$@com>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40902022052r2b8a3b6axec1754baa3b931c3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for compiling the list.

Thought it was a little silly at first, but now that you have
responded with the compiled list, I am glad you asked.

Cheers,
John Campbell

2009/2/2 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
> Well, I added a few more myself...
>
> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
> Facebook  www.facebook.com
> Amazon  www.amazon.com
> Flickr  www.flickr.com
> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
> Second Life www.secondlife.com
>
> Harvard University  www.harvard.edu
> Amherst College  www.amherst.edu
> Tufts University www.tufts.edu
>
> Nobel Prize Foundation www.nobelprize.org
> Hearst Foundation  www.hearstfdn.org
> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
>
> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
> UNICEF www.unicef.org
> UNESCO www.unesco.org
> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
> Magic Johnson Foundation www.magicjohnson.com
> NAACP www.naacp.org
> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
> United Nations  www.un.org
>
> Museum of Contemporary Art Los Angeles www.moca.org
> Art Institute of Chicago www.artic.edu
> Museum of Modern Art (NYC)  www.moma.org
> American Museum of Natural History (NYC) www.amnh.org
> Brooklyn Museum  www.brooklynmuseum.org
>
> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
> MTV  www.mtv.com
>
> Port Authority of NY & NJ www.panynj.gov
> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
> Central Park (NYC) www.centralpark.com
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:44 PM
> To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
>
> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
> below, please reply with your additions.
>
> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
> Facebook  www.facebook.com
> Amazon  www.amazon.com
> Flickr  www.flickr.com
> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
> UNICEF www.unicef.org
> UNESCO www.unesco.org
> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
> NAACP www.naacp.org
> The Fund for Peace www.fundforpeace.org
> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
> MTV  www.mtv.com
> United Nations  www.un.org
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
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From ramons at gmx.net  Tue Feb  3 07:14:09 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:14:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
Message-ID: <49883511.8090202@gmx.net>

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or 
> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list 
> below, please reply with your additions.

Hi!

Found by accident that our local museum and planetarium uses PHP as well:
http://www.schenectadymuseum.org/
Best to see when one clicks on the planetarium link.

Or another museum on the other side of the Mohawk:
http://www.esam.org/

And how could I forget the support page I made years ago for Ingersoll-Rand / 
Schlage. My replacements made some changes to it, but it uses PHP for the search:
http://irsupport.net/


HTH,

David


From greg.rundlett at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 08:41:08 2009
From: greg.rundlett at gmail.com (Greg Rundlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:41:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <49883511.8090202@gmx.net>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com> <49883511.8090202@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5e2aaca40902030541s209945b5qc7904d8d61b152ff@mail.gmail.com>

I too am glad to see a nice list.  The compiled list (plus link to
Whitepaper) is at http://freephile.com/wiki/index.php/Who_uses_php

Cite or re-use freely


From smanes at magpie.com  Tue Feb  3 09:30:43 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:30:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
Message-ID: <49885513.8090604@magpie.com>

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or 
> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list 
> below, please reply with your additions.

The Childrens Health Fund  http://childrenshealthfund.org/



From smanes at magpie.com  Tue Feb  3 09:36:05 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:36:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <49885513.8090604@magpie.com>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com> <49885513.8090604@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <49885655.1080106@magpie.com>

Steve Manes wrote:
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or non-profit PHP 
>> users that can be added to this list below, please reply with your 
>> additions.
> 
> The Childrens Health Fund  http://childrenshealthfund.org/

I don't know if you're just looking just for public web sites but the 
Transportation and Referral Management Systems (TRMS) I built for them 
is rolling out to all 17 CHF programs around the country.  It's PHP5 + 
PostgreSQL.  I'm about to start a new one for childhood diabetes.


From ramons at gmx.net  Tue Feb  3 10:16:03 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:16:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
References: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
Message-ID: <49885FB3.3080801@gmx.net>

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or 
> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list 
> below, please reply with your additions.


Hi!

I 'found' another one, this time a for-profit corporation and a Microsoft 
DotNet Showcase Company. MadCap Software uses PHP to run their support forum 
(which is phpBB) at http://forums.madcapsoftware.com

One of these cases where I look at it every day and just don't register that 
it is PHP. As a disclaimer (no clue if it is needed), I am a MadCap MVP and 
MAD certified (not certified mad!).

David


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 13:48:19 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:48:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
Message-ID: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Guys,

 

It totally works!

Am I the first to write mod_auth_digest/mysql?

If anyone ever wants to use it, be my guest.  There will be one condition

though.  You have to know c and return the module slightly more graceful.

I really don't have time to piddle around with this anymore.

It's not my most beautiful work, but it's sound.

I haven't programmed in c since 12/00.

I was to add Opaque to the implementation, but I'm not sure it's in use by
the browsers.

 

Michele

 

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From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 15:18:21 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:18:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <AcmGL/sXzxDt7UkvRmyTwNbkjvRnNQ==>
	<20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>

Michelle,
I don't have the time or inclination to go refactoring C code that works,
but I'll gladly make a sourceforge project and see if I can improve the docs
or build process.

I do know enough C to avoid it in favor of a language with a garbage
collector, so if you have some specific improvement I could make without too
much effort I'll give those a go.

Say the word pick a license and I'll make a sourceforge project.

Regards,

Justin Dearing


On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Michele Waldman <mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com>wrote:

>  Guys,
>
>
>
> It totally works!
>
> Am I the first to write mod_auth_digest/mysql?
>
> If anyone ever wants to use it, be my guest.  There will be one condition
>
> though.  You have to know c and return the module slightly more graceful.
>
> I really don't have time to piddle around with this anymore.
>
> It's not my most beautiful work, but it's sound.
>
> I haven't programmed in c since 12/00.
>
> I was to add Opaque to the implementation, but I'm not sure it's in use by
> the browsers.
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
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From ioplex at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 15:29:09 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:29:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Justin Dearing <zippy1981 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do know enough C to avoid it in favor of a language with a garbage
> collector

Here are few facts that make your statement somewhat ironic:

 1. PHP is basically just a wrapper around C and C libraries

 2. PHP is written in C

 3. PHP does not have garbage collection

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From dorgan at donaldorgan.com  Tue Feb  3 15:34:36 2009
From: dorgan at donaldorgan.com (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:34:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16634203.941233693276246.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>

I think he meant compiled languages...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael B Allen" <ioplex at gmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:29:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Justin Dearing <zippy1981 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do know enough C to avoid it in favor of a language with a garbage
> collector

Here are few facts that make your statement somewhat ironic:

 1. PHP is basically just a wrapper around C and C libraries

 2. PHP is written in C

 3. PHP does not have garbage collection

Mike

-- 
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Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/
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From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 16:08:06 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:08:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <16634203.941233693276246.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>
References: <78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<16634203.941233693276246.JavaMail.root@twoguyshosting.com.>
Message-ID: <5458db3c0902031308g75e13b80v93ef2bf9d54fc625@mail.gmail.com>

I like the syntax of C. I don't like having to malloc memory.

PHP may not have a garbage collector, but I don't have to manually
deallocate memory for the most part. Of course I still have to connect and
disconnect from the database manually, and scrub sql parameters, but its
easier to avoid mistakes in those two situations then you do with malloc and
free.




On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Donald J. Organ IV
<dorgan at donaldorgan.com>wrote:

> I think he meant compiled languages...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael B Allen" <ioplex at gmail.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:29:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Justin Dearing <zippy1981 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I do know enough C to avoid it in favor of a language with a garbage
> > collector
>
> Here are few facts that make your statement somewhat ironic:
>
>  1. PHP is basically just a wrapper around C and C libraries
>
>  2. PHP is written in C
>
>  3. PHP does not have garbage collection
>
> Mike
>
> --
> Michael B Allen
> Java Active Directory Integration
> http://www.ioplex.com/
> _______________________________________________
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Feb  3 17:21:52 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:21:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com>

Hi Mike:

On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 03:29:09PM -0500, Michael B Allen wrote:
> 
>  3. PHP does not have garbage collection

Yes it does.  That's what the various gc_* php.ini settings are for: 
http://php.net/session.configuration

--Dan

-- 
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            data intensive web and database programming
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 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Feb  3 17:26:08 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:26:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>

Hey Again Mike:

On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:21:52PM -0500, Daniel Convissor wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 03:29:09PM -0500, Michael B Allen wrote:
> > 
> >  3. PHP does not have garbage collection
> 
> Yes it does.  That's what the various gc_* php.ini settings are for: 
> http://php.net/session.configuration

Doh!  Those are for session garbage collection.  None the less, PHP does 
have garbage collection.

--Dan

-- 
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From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 18:26:15 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:26:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com> <20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>
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>
>  None the less, PHP does
> have garbage collection.

Php uses simple reference counts, and the counters are updated
continuously.  I take garbage collection to mean there is a periodic
process where unreachable objects are found and deleted.  There is no
periodic garbage collection in php.  Memory is freed as soon as the
reference count goes to zero.

Regards,
John Campbell


From ioplex at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 18:35:15 2009
From: ioplex at gmail.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:35:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com> <20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78c6bd860902031535k1dbccc12ha26b5dd992493cb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Daniel Convissor
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> Hey Again Mike:
>
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:21:52PM -0500, Daniel Convissor wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 03:29:09PM -0500, Michael B Allen wrote:
>> >
>> >  3. PHP does not have garbage collection
>>
>> Yes it does.  That's what the various gc_* php.ini settings are for:
>> http://php.net/session.configuration
>
> Doh!  Those are for session garbage collection.  None the less, PHP does
> have garbage collection.

Not really. But it wouldn't be hard to split some hairs in this conversation.

My understanding is that true "garbage collection" doesn't immediately
free objects when they fall out of scope or when they're set to nil
but rather maintains table references that can be used to periodically
figure out how to efficiently free things later. Usually there's a
background process that does this in a way that allows programs to
"run wild" but then free things when the CPU becomes idle or if free
memory runs low.

I'm not an expert on this stuff so my description is probably
oversimplified but PHP does not do the above. It just frees everything
as soon as it's unset. Or maybe it waits to some degree but I don't
think there's a sophisticated algorithm behind it, it doesn't maintain
a separate table of allocations (the zvals and resources *are* the
allocation table) and it doesn't use a separate process to do any of
this. GC has never been a really high priority since PHP scripts are
usually fairly short lived.

An important implication of this is that I would imagine if you tried
to write a long-lived PHP script that did a lot of work like a CLI
script run from cron, you'd find the script would behave poorly after
a while and may even just run out of memory entirely if you didn't
aggressively unset() things. With proper GC that would not happen.

I have written PHP extensions and to do that you need to know how
things are allocated internally. There are two types of memory objects
- zvals and resources. The zvals are used to represent arrays,
objects, variable length data (strings), integers and doubles. Since
you can completely traverse a zval and all descendants, PHP can
automatically delete the entire tree when the root zval is unset().
Resources are managed by extensions and have deconstructors that are
responsible for freeing all memory associated with them. These are
used for things like file handles, database connections, drawing
contexts and so on. If you unset a resource it fires the deconstructor
which must explicitily go through and free any memory that has been
allocated by the resource.

My instinct is that PHP probably does delay deallocation of things
that are unset for a short time reasoning that the script will
probably complete by the time it needs to actually free things. But
that's pure speculation on my part. It just seems like a smart thing
to do. Then again, if you unset() something and then look at
memory_get_usage it shows the memory has been deallocated (although it
could just be lying or call the "collection" routine first).

Again, I'm not an expert on this so I've probably trampled some truth
in a message this size. But I know for sure that it is not accurate to
say that "PHP uses garbage collection".

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
Java Active Directory Integration
http://www.ioplex.com/


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 19:30:58 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:30:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Definitely A Digest Request bug in IE
Message-ID: <20090204003057.WSVP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

This can't possibly be the way a request should work.

Don't try this at home.

If this is misinformation, my apologies in advanced, but I've tested it out
like 30 times using the originally install http on my server.

 

When I was just testing my variation of mod_auth_digest, I found IE 7 may
have a bug or odd behavior.

 

The first time it requests login.php in one realm, it's fine.

The first times requests logoff.php in another realm, it's fine.

The second time it requests login.php, it uses the user name and realm from
logoff.php in the request instead of the user name for login.php which is in
the dialog box by default.  Typing it in doesn't make a difference.

When the authorization fails and the user re-enters his/her info, it sends
another request with the correct user name and realm, but this time it
doesn't recognize the response from http.

It prompts a third time for good measure.

You can go back to the logoff.php page without authorization.

 

I'm going round and round with this.

 

I tested out the original mod_auth_digest file in IE, changing from realm to
realm with that module produced the same problem as I was seeing in my
variation.

 

I was using:

 

<Files login.php>

   AuthType Digest

   AuthName "login"

   AuthUserFile /path/.htpasswd

   AuthDigestDomain https://domain/account/

   require valid-user

</Files>

<Files logoff.php>

   AuthType Digest

   AuthName "logoff"

   AuthUserFile /path/.htpasswd

   AuthDigestDomain https://domain/account/

   require valid-user

</Files>

 

The contents of login.php and logoff.php are <?php phpinfo(); ?>

.htpassword contains two users of the appropriate realm created with
.htdigest.

In ie,

I request login.php

I request logoff.php

I request login.php, boom, two 3 dialog boxes and fails authorization.

I request logoff.php, it displays.

 

I'm going to try to find a work around for this.

Anyone interested is welcome to try this little test out or explain to me
this is how digest works.

I know what's in the actual request values because I printed them out from
mod_auth_digest.

In Firefox, this is not the behavior.  Each previously logged into page
can't be viewed.

I would prefer re-authenication every time the realm is changed for the same
AuthDigestDomain.

It sets the first realm for the domain.  When you log into another page in a
different realm in the same domain, it doesn't change the realm.  Other
subsequent page requests are made with the initial realm plus you have to
get the user name from $_SERVER["PHP_AUTH_DIGEST"] because
$_SERVER[AUTH_USER_NAME] isn't set.  Arrggghh!

 

My stinking changes to make mod_auth_digest work with mysql worked.
Unfortunately, mod_auth_digest seems to not be implemented correctly on the
browsers.

 

Michele

 

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 19:52:00 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:52:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IE Bug, con't
Message-ID: <20090204005159.BAVP9335.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Safari doesn't even set the digest realm for subsequent page calls in the
domain.

Opera doesn't appear to have implemented digest.

This would be such a clean, simple security implementation.  It would be
sweet if they get the bugs out and all implement it the same way.

Shouldn't it be one protocol for communicating with the server?  Or is it
just me?

If I have any input when there are two realms defined for the same domain it
would switch to the new realm after log in.  This is a key point.

Seriously, this design is simple and easy to implement for account security.
Only problem is is that the browsers don't work or work the same.

If anyone has any influence on this matter, please, tell them they need to
fix digest.

I don't know how I'm going to handle this or what I'm going to tell my
client.  "It's not my program.  It's the browsers"?

 

Michele

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Tue Feb  3 20:45:54 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:45:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] One small redemption
Message-ID: <20090204014553.ZADF8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

One small redeeming factor is firefox completely logs you out of digest with
an incorrect password.

 

I hope it flys in ajax.

 

I can use clearauthenticationcache in IE and not worry about the bug.

 

That leave safari which is supposed to log you out but doesn't seem to.

 

Opera that doesn't seem to implement it.

 

There's still a bug in IE.

 

Michele

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From bonsaime at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 22:25:14 2009
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:25:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860902031535k1dbccc12ha26b5dd992493cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com> <20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>
	<78c6bd860902031535k1dbccc12ha26b5dd992493cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa9991030902031925p4c2418cfr1dd3318830483dd9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Michael B Allen <ioplex at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Daniel Convissor
> <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
>> Hey Again Mike:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:21:52PM -0500, Daniel Convissor wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 03:29:09PM -0500, Michael B Allen wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  3. PHP does not have garbage collection
>>>
>>> Yes it does.  That's what the various gc_* php.ini settings are for:
>>> http://php.net/session.configuration
>>
>> Doh!  Those are for session garbage collection.  None the less, PHP does
>> have garbage collection.
>
> Not really. But it wouldn't be hard to split some hairs in this conversation.
>
> My understanding is that true "garbage collection" doesn't immediately
> free objects when they fall out of scope or when they're set to nil
> but rather maintains table references that can be used to periodically
> figure out how to efficiently free things later. Usually there's a
> background process that does this in a way that allows programs to
> "run wild" but then free things when the CPU becomes idle or if free
> memory runs low.
>
> I'm not an expert on this stuff so my description is probably
> oversimplified but PHP does not do the above. It just frees everything
> as soon as it's unset. Or maybe it waits to some degree but I don't
> think there's a sophisticated algorithm behind it, it doesn't maintain
> a separate table of allocations (the zvals and resources *are* the
> allocation table) and it doesn't use a separate process to do any of
> this. GC has never been a really high priority since PHP scripts are
> usually fairly short lived.
>
> An important implication of this is that I would imagine if you tried
> to write a long-lived PHP script that did a lot of work like a CLI
> script run from cron, you'd find the script would behave poorly after
> a while and may even just run out of memory entirely if you didn't
> aggressively unset() things. With proper GC that would not happen.
>
> I have written PHP extensions and to do that you need to know how
> things are allocated internally. There are two types of memory objects
> - zvals and resources. The zvals are used to represent arrays,
> objects, variable length data (strings), integers and doubles. Since
> you can completely traverse a zval and all descendants, PHP can
> automatically delete the entire tree when the root zval is unset().
> Resources are managed by extensions and have deconstructors that are
> responsible for freeing all memory associated with them. These are
> used for things like file handles, database connections, drawing
> contexts and so on. If you unset a resource it fires the deconstructor
> which must explicitily go through and free any memory that has been
> allocated by the resource.
>
> My instinct is that PHP probably does delay deallocation of things
> that are unset for a short time reasoning that the script will
> probably complete by the time it needs to actually free things. But
> that's pure speculation on my part. It just seems like a smart thing
> to do. Then again, if you unset() something and then look at
> memory_get_usage it shows the memory has been deallocated (although it
> could just be lying or call the "collection" routine first).
>
> Again, I'm not an expert on this so I've probably trampled some truth
> in a message this size. But I know for sure that it is not accurate to
> say that "PHP uses garbage collection".
>
> Mike
>
> --
> Michael B Allen
> Java Active Directory Integration
> http://www.ioplex.com/
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>

Um did the baby get thrown out with the bathwater? I think a lot of
people want to see this module go mainstream.

-jesse


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue Feb  3 22:53:48 2009
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:53:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mod_auth_digest/mysql works!
In-Reply-To: <78c6bd860902031535k1dbccc12ha26b5dd992493cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090203184818.KFEP8681.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>	<5458db3c0902031218we331fb1mfa838718101a08d7@mail.gmail.com>	<78c6bd860902031229h12fd8680sf5d8e626f7c9bc29@mail.gmail.com>	<20090203222152.GA26602@panix.com>
	<20090203222608.GA10188@panix.com>
	<78c6bd860902031535k1dbccc12ha26b5dd992493cb@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael B Allen wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Daniel Convissor
> <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hey Again Mike:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:21:52PM -0500, Daniel Convissor wrote:
>>     
>>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 03:29:09PM -0500, Michael B Allen wrote:
>>>       
>>>>  3. PHP does not have garbage collection
>>>>         
>>> Yes it does.  That's what the various gc_* php.ini settings are for:
>>> http://php.net/session.configuration
>>>       
>> Doh!  Those are for session garbage collection.  None the less, PHP does
>> have garbage collection.
>>     
>
> Not really. But it wouldn't be hard to split some hairs in this conversation.
>
> My understanding is that true "garbage collection" doesn't immediately
> free objects when they fall out of scope or when they're set to nil
> but rather maintains table references that can be used to periodically
> figure out how to efficiently free things later. Usually there's a
> background process that does this in a way that allows programs to
> "run wild" but then free things when the CPU becomes idle or if free
> memory runs low.
>
> I'm not an expert on this stuff so my description is probably
> oversimplified but PHP does not do the above. It just frees everything
> as soon as it's unset. Or maybe it waits to some degree but I don't
> think there's a sophisticated algorithm behind it, it doesn't maintain
> a separate table of allocations (the zvals and resources *are* the
> allocation table) and it doesn't use a separate process to do any of
> this. GC has never been a really high priority since PHP scripts are
> usually fairly short lived.
>   
Here is an interesting article on memory management:
http://www.webreference.com/programming/php_mem/index.html
(it is excerpted from Sara Goleman's book 'Extending and Embedding PHP' )

Also  zend_gc.h and zend_gc.c are of interest







From ps at blu-studio.com  Thu Feb  5 13:42:24 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:42:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
Message-ID: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>

Good Day All:

Can anyone in their long experience of coding in numerous languages
enumerate some of the pros and cons of Cold Fusion (CF, CFML) especially
when compared to PHP.

My basic thoughts are that CF:
1) is more expensive to program ($$ per hr. pd. to programmer)
2) not as simply and totally extensible as PHP  
3) expensive special server side software to invest in
4) CF hosting more expensive per mo.
5) almost no heavy usage sites use CF (i.e. CNN, Facebook, BBC)
6) more expensive to maintain, update or add on to code
 
Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP say
in raw speed, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 





From guilhermeblanco at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 13:52:26 2009
From: guilhermeblanco at gmail.com (Guilherme Blanco)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:52:26 -0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
Message-ID: <bcb7aa500902051052j4f0ed5bo7a34d532a25603a2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious...

Do anyone still code in CF? Like... company just starting... new
application.... etc...

I doubt that guy still exists on earth... =)


Cheers,

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
> Good Day All:
>
> Can anyone in their long experience of coding in numerous languages
> enumerate some of the pros and cons of Cold Fusion (CF, CFML) especially
> when compared to PHP.
>
> My basic thoughts are that CF:
> 1) is more expensive to program ($$ per hr. pd. to programmer)
> 2) not as simply and totally extensible as PHP
> 3) expensive special server side software to invest in
> 4) CF hosting more expensive per mo.
> 5) almost no heavy usage sites use CF (i.e. CNN, Facebook, BBC)
> 6) more expensive to maintain, update or add on to code
>
> Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP say
> in raw speed, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 13:53:19 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:53:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
Message-ID: <b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:

> Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP say
> in raw speed, etc.
>

Raw speed, heh.

The list of extensions, both integrated and pecl, puts PHP way out in
front of CF in terms of versatility and functionality.


From ben at projectskyline.com  Thu Feb  5 14:01:33 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:01:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
	<b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498B378D.4000402@projectskyline.com>

Hey,

We are moving away from CF. Finding talent is difficult, and what can be 
done in CF
can be done CLEANER in a different languages. I'm speaking to the <tag 
this <tag that
syntax.

CF does have some nice PDF abilities and has been using "binded" queries 
for a long time.

It is more $ because of the cf server - Hey Peter, sounds like we're 
doing research for your proposal! -= ]

- Ben

csnyder wrote:
> 2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
>
>   
>> Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP say
>> in raw speed, etc.
>>
>>     
>
> Raw speed, heh.
>
> The list of extensions, both integrated and pecl, puts PHP way out in
> front of CF in terms of versatility and functionality.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>   


From ps at blu-studio.com  Thu Feb  5 14:14:11 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:14:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <498B378D.4000402@projectskyline.com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>	<b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<498B378D.4000402@projectskyline.com>
Message-ID: <007901c987c5$edd02cc0$c9708640$@com>

My first toe in of a sales pitch is already over. 

In this SW Florida area where I am there is a surprising amount of CFM
in dynamic web sites. And, then a surprising amount of .NET.

I have to tell you, the area is very uninformed about opensource. In my
initial discussions with people regarding opensource (PHP) vs. CF and
.NET they are even seemingly disbelieving that there could be anything
as good and value intensive as opensource. 

That is why I am looking for quality corp. name users of PHP to put some
indirect big third party endorsement behind my pitch. 

I don?t mind informing people about opensource, but I really did not
want to appear some new fangled St. John preaching the near miraculous. 

But any further info on the downsides of CFM would still help me in the
long run.

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Ben Sgro
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:02 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion

Hey,

We are moving away from CF. Finding talent is difficult, and what can be

done in CF
can be done CLEANER in a different languages. I'm speaking to the <tag 
this <tag that
syntax.

CF does have some nice PDF abilities and has been using "binded" queries

for a long time.

It is more $ because of the cf server - Hey Peter, sounds like we're 
doing research for your proposal! -= ]

- Ben

csnyder wrote:
> 2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
>
>   
>> Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP
say
>> in raw speed, etc.
>>
>>     
>
> Raw speed, heh.
>
> The list of extensions, both integrated and pecl, puts PHP way out in
> front of CF in terms of versatility and functionality.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>   
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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php




From Ricky at nylontechnology.com  Thu Feb  5 14:16:11 2009
From: Ricky at nylontechnology.com (Ricky Robinett)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:16:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
Message-ID: <86F397D96FD09B4792600C76E082F5B6A53DAD@RODIMUS.nylontechnology.local>

Hey Peter,

I'm prefacing this by saying I love PHP and it is my language of choice, but I also have extensive experience with ColdFusion and I don't feel like all your statements about it are completely accurate (also playing devil's advocate a bit :) ).

1) From my experience, ColdFusion development is typically faster than PHP development, so even though it costs more per hour it can end up being less hours of development time. In a similar way, someone who hires the cheapest PHP developer could end up spending more than hiring a more expensive PHP developer due to the speed and quality of work.
2) A lot of the selling point of CF is that you aren't meant to extend it. It should inherently have what you need already. Although this is not the case 100% of the time I think they do a pretty good job of offering a lot of things that you have to extend PHP for (CAPTCHA and PDF creation/manipulation are a couple that come to mind immediately).
3) Although ColdFusion costs to be on a server, it offers a lot of monitoring information. With ColdFusion Enterprise you can also restart separate server instances (thus not having to take all your sites down for server reboot).
4) True
5) A few high traffic sites (www.senate.gov, http://www.dsireusa.org/i, http://www.energystar.gov, http://www.economist.com, http://www.mayoclinic.com/). Also, MySpace was on CF for a while.
6) This is completely dependent on what your app does, I can think of many instances where CF updates and maintenance on a site are quicker and much less expensive. I can think of situations where PHP is quicker and less expensive. 

PHP definitely handles the huge loads better than ColdFusion, and it's something to consider when building an app but I also think it's important to give all languages a fair look. 

Thanks!
Ricky

.....................................
Ricky Robinett
Developer
Zend Certified Engineer, PHP5
Adobe Certified Expert, ColdFusion 8

Nylon Technology
350 7th Avenue, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10001
?
212.691.1134 x25?direct
212.691.3477 fax
ricky at nylontechnology.com
www.nylontechnology.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion

Good Day All:

Can anyone in their long experience of coding in numerous languages
enumerate some of the pros and cons of Cold Fusion (CF, CFML) especially
when compared to PHP.

My basic thoughts are that CF:
1) is more expensive to program ($$ per hr. pd. to programmer)
2) not as simply and totally extensible as PHP  
3) expensive special server side software to invest in
4) CF hosting more expensive per mo.
5) almost no heavy usage sites use CF (i.e. CNN, Facebook, BBC)
6) more expensive to maintain, update or add on to code
 
Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP say
in raw speed, etc.

Thanks in advance.

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 



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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From ps at blu-studio.com  Thu Feb  5 14:22:29 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:22:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CFM Downsides from Wikipedia CFM Article
Message-ID: <007a01c987c7$176386d0$462a9470$@com>

Technical commentary

IT commentators have offered various critiques of ColdFusion, discussing
both the potential advantages and disadvantages of this technology
relative to other alternatives.

    * Bootstrapping: ColdFusion is not a general purpose programming
language. It cannot be used to create certain kinds of programs or
software. For example, ColdFusion was written in Java and it would be
impossible to write ColdFusion in ColdFusion itself (a technique known
as Bootstrapping). Extending ColdFusion therefore frequently relies on
also using other general purpose programming languages.
    * Cost: Adobe ColdFusion is expensive compared to some of its
competitors, which are almost always free. Even Microsoft-based
solutions such as ASP.NET are technically free if you own a PC or server
running some version of Windows. For developers who do not wish to host
their own site (and personally purchase ColdFusion Server), shared
hosting accounts are readily available at comparable prices to PHP or
ASP.NET hosting. Note, ColdFusion is free for Academic use.
    * Extensions: ColdFusion libraries and extensions are not always
free, although there are sites dedicated to open-source ColdFusion code
and several open-source frameworks have emerged in recent years in
active development. ColdFusion can call Java libraries which alleviates
this issue.
    * OOP: ColdFusion lacks advanced object-oriented features [6] such
as providing little distinction between instance and class (virtual and
static) properties and methods. ColdFusion doesn't offer constructor
syntax per se, but rather forces an object factory pattern to return
object instances. A common idiom is to use init to indicate a method
which is the constructor for each component. Methods are implicitly
virtual if they reference the THIS scope. There are several techniques
available to provide mixin functionality.
    * Open Source: Some competing scripting languages such as PHP, Ruby,
Perl and Python are open-source. Although the language of CFML itself is
documented, Adobe ColdFusion's server code is not viewable or
modifiable. However, SmithProject and the J2EE version of BlueDragon
(OpenBD) are open-source CFML parsing engines.
    * Shared hosting: Certain features of ColdFusion such as event
gateways, creation of datasources, caching settings and classpath
additions are not readily configurable for usage in a shared hosting
environment.[7] ColdFusion 7 introduced the Admin API which allows
hosting providers to automate things such as datasource creation for
their customers.
    * Scripting: CFScript is similar to but incompatible with the
ECMAScript specification. ColdFusion does include some server-side
Actionscript functionality, however ColdFusion's server-side
Actionscript has significantly fewer features than CFML. Note: The
release of CF 8 brought CFscript closer to ECMA by introducing == for
equals, < for less than, and ++ etc.
    * Syntax: CFML syntax is very different from traditional programming
languages, which use a C-style syntax, although this is a key reason for
its success.

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 






From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 14:33:00 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:33:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <007901c987c5$edd02cc0$c9708640$@com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
	<b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<498B378D.4000402@projectskyline.com>
	<007901c987c5$edd02cc0$c9708640$@com>
Message-ID: <5458db3c0902051133j44aea133v6012a19660b2084c@mail.gmail.com>

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

> My first toe in of a sales pitch is already over.
>
> In this SW Florida area where I am there is a surprising amount of CFM
> in dynamic web sites. And, then a surprising amount of .NET.


Well I am working at my second primarily.NET shop that was originally a
coldfusion shop. One went through a classic asp phase first though. So its
not a surprising combinations of technologies to know as it seems to have
been a standard progression.


> I have to tell you, the area is very uninformed about opensource. In my
> initial discussions with people regarding opensource (PHP) vs. CF and
> .NET they are even seemingly disbelieving that there could be anything
> as good and value intensive as opensource.


Well how informed are you about .NET or even mono? Most people know a
handful of technologies. I've done PHP, .NET, vb6 and dabbled in a few other
languages. I've made minor edits to CF pages and I assume I'm grossly
uninformed about it. I know a former foxpro programmer that could convince
you it was one of the greatest development environments ever. Had I not
known him I would never believe foxpro was a "real" programming tool.
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From lists at zaunere.com  Thu Feb  5 14:35:04 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:35:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
Message-ID: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>

All,

We're considering working with the PHP QA group and supporting a Test Fest
event, both in the virtual world, and the real-world of NYC.

Here are overviews:

http://qa.php.net/testfest.php - the What
http://wiki.php.net/qa/testfest - the How

Getting involved with this would greatly benefit PHP itself, as well as hone
your own skills working in a QA testing environment (it's great for a
resume).

At this point, I'm interested in:

-- hearing general thoughts on this type of thing and how it could come
together in NYC

-- how many people would be interested in doing the testing?

-- how many people would be interested in helping to organize?

Let's discuss on this list to get public feedback, or feel free to contact
me off-list if you'd like to chat directly.

Best,

---
Hans Zaunere / Managing Member / New York PHP
      www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com








From brian at realm3.com  Thu Feb  5 15:26:04 2009
From: brian at realm3.com (Brian Dailey)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:26:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006901c987c1$8085cca0$819165e0$@com>
	<b76252690902051053kc1086a5u7d261e03dba056ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498B4B5C.9040805@realm3.com>

I know a guy that's managing a company running on CF and he very much 
wishes that he had gone with PHP or even Python. The availability of 
developers to work with CF is much more limited.

-b.

csnyder wrote:
> 2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
> 
>> Anybody got other techie reasons why CF would pale compared to PHP say
>> in raw speed, etc.
>>
> 
> Raw speed, heh.
> 
> The list of extensions, both integrated and pecl, puts PHP way out in
> front of CF in terms of versatility and functionality.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

-- 
realm3 web applications [realm3.com]
Information architecture, application development.
phone: (917) 512-3594
fax: (440) 744-3559


From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 17:39:25 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:39:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mod_auth_digest/mysql
Message-ID: <20090205223923.YEMO9192.hrndva-smta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Guys,

 

The site's going live around 8p.m. using the variation of mod_auth_digest
authenticating against mysql, that I wrote/modified, today.

Pretty exciting.  I didn't disturb its general behavior.  It still behaves
like mod_auth_digest.

And the browsers, well, they still behave like they do too.

I'm only using IE and FF for account access.  You can still view the public
pages on the other browsers.

I sent an email to Opera and I'm sending one to Safari.  Opera doesn't log
in with ajax and Safari doesn't log out.

Anyway, no one ever answered my question.  Am I the first to write
mod_auth_mysql/digest?

In a couple of weeks after my vacation, I'm going to play around with it
some more.  Getting the password from httpd.conf was an issue.

I wanted it working, so I temporarily cut my loses.

I have one pressing htaccess issue.  I'm thinking about joining
webmasterworld.com.  Anyone have a subscription?  Should I pay to use the
forum?

I'm thinking about hacking httpd again.

They have rewritemod -f, is file, -d is directory, but not -n, variable does
not exist.  I'm thinking about adding it.  It looks like a variable not
existing always evaluates to true, so using REMOTE_USER is a problem to test
if the user is logged in.  Unfortunately, even after logout the
authorization contain the realm on backpage.  I couldn't find away for
REMOTE_USER to be always defined even if no one is logged in.  I think it
would be nice like Apache addition.  Shouldn't be too hard to implement.
Check for the flag, see if the variable exists, return true or false.  It
will work nicely with mod_auth_digest.  Keep those pesky login dialogs from
popping up on backpage, hopefully.

 

I want to implement this little tidbit:

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{REMOTE_USER} -n

RewriteRule ^.*$ http://domain/path/logged_out.html [R]

 

This doesn't work when remote_user is not defined.  It seems to always
evaluate to true:

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{REMOTE_USER} !=""

RewriteRule ^.*$ - [S=1]

RewriteRule ^.*$ http:// domain/path/logged_out.html [R]

 

You put the actual logging authtype stuff below this segment.

Once I get it tight and the browsers get on board.  Some folks doing smaller
sized websites may want to check it out.  Ajax is not necessary.  One guy
said it isn't good for login in case if craps out, but it's over a ssl, so
I'm not that worried.  Should I be?  Plus, I put too much freaking work into
the ajax implementation to turn back now.  The reason I went mod_auth_digest
was cause totally hinging on cookies for account security was freaking me
out and I was doing that with mod_auth_basic.  I use php for security mostly
outside the account, but very little inside.  I know more misinformation and
a whole lot of vagueness.

I'm going to turn my websites into Fort Knox, if it kills me.

 

Michele

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 17:46:45 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:46:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
Message-ID: <20090205224643.VRTZ4991.hrndva-smta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.

 

Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.

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From ps at blu-studio.com  Thu Feb  5 18:13:24 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:13:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
In-Reply-To: <20090205224643.VRTZ4991.hrndva-smta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
References: <20090205224643.VRTZ4991.hrndva-smta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <009301c987e7$58caf160$0a60d420$@com>

Sigh. 

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  

www.blu-studio.com 

 

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.

 

Duh!  But, it?s considered more secure.  So, no loss.

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From tmpvar at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 00:12:58 2009
From: tmpvar at gmail.com (Elijah Insua)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 00:12:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
In-Reply-To: <009301c987e7$58caf160$0a60d420$@com>
References: <20090205224643.VRTZ4991.hrndva-smta01.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
	<009301c987e7$58caf160$0a60d420$@com>
Message-ID: <2b4feca10902052112m5e5355d0g71065526025fb7c7@mail.gmail.com>

Michele,

just as a suggestion for the future.. could you keep all of these in the
same thread?

Thanks,

-- Elijah

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

>  Sigh.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
>
>
> Peter Sawczynec
>
> Technology Dir.
>
> bl?studio
>
> 941.893.0396
>
> ps at blu-studio.com <ps at sun-code.com>
>
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Michele Waldman
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
> *To:* 'NYPHP Talk'
> *Subject:* [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
>
>
>
> In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
> mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.
>
>
>
> Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 08:42:14 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:42:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
In-Reply-To: <2b4feca10902052112m5e5355d0g71065526025fb7c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090206134212.BNDK9192.hrndva-smta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Sure thing.  My hind sight was wrong.  I definitely needed this
implementation.  I can?t log out in ajax with basic.  I always second guess
myself.  Keeps me in check.

 

Good news for you guys.  I?m taking vacation to recuperate from the 15-18
hour days I?ve been working on and off over the last 2 ? months.  I should
be posting for at least a month.

 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Elijah Insua
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:13 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

Michele,
 
just as a suggestion for the future.. could you keep all of these in the
same thread?

Thanks,

-- Elijah

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

Sigh. 

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  

www.blu-studio.com 

 

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.

 

Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.


_______________________________________________
New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

 

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From ashaw at polymerdb.org  Fri Feb  6 18:53:52 2009
From: ashaw at polymerdb.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:53:52 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] blacklist monitor recommendations?
Message-ID: <498CCD90.1040406@polymerdb.org>

We're seriously considering bringing our mass email communications 
in-house for various reasons and want to stay on top of any spam reports 
against us. 

Can anyone recommend an email blacklist monitoring service you've had 
good results with?

Thanks,
Allen

-- 
Allen Shaw
slidePresenter (http://slides.sourceforge.net)



From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 19:21:24 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:21:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
In-Reply-To: <20090206134212.BNDK9192.hrndva-smta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <20090207002120.GWXD9192.hrndva-smta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

BTW: 

 

Guys,

 

I?m drinking now.  Final post before taking vacation.  Yeahhhhhh!  My first
major website.  I did a Zencart before, but never homespun like this.  I,
typically, modify E. Indian made websites.

 

My implementation is a spin on:

http://www.berenddeboer.net/rest/authentication.html

 

There?s a Opera and Safari kink to iron out.  So, they are not working.

 

Because I can?t use this implementation without validating the account
before login in with ajax, I use php session variables for security outside
the account.  It validates the user has correctly answered captchas and
security question and validates the security question id is correct before
responding the login information is valid.  I use this on all pages trying
to login or send email to reduce the chances of robots getting anywhere.

 

However, once inside I only use that approach when modifying the user?s
info.  The rest depends entirely on mod_auth_digest/mysql, my version.  That
means I don?t have to modify every single php file with authentication
checks.

 

I hooked up with a guy on the apache mailing list that gave me the final
piece of the puzzle to prevent login dialog popups.

 

I know I followed a lot of wrong tangents at points and people may think I?m
lost, but it?s tight now.

 

If you don?t have one million hits a day, once opera and safari get on
board, I welcome you to check it out.

 

Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  I?m done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Going
live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Michele

 

 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

Sure thing.  My hind sight was wrong.  I definitely needed this
implementation.  I can?t log out in ajax with basic.  I always second guess
myself.  Keeps me in check.

 

Good news for you guys.  I?m taking vacation to recuperate from the 15-18
hour days I?ve been working on and off over the last 2 ? months.  I should
be posting for at least a month.

 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Elijah Insua
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:13 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

Michele,
 
just as a suggestion for the future.. could you keep all of these in the
same thread?

Thanks,

-- Elijah

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

Sigh. 

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  

www.blu-studio.com 

 

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.

 

Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.


_______________________________________________
New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

 

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From mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 19:24:11 2009
From: mmwaldman at nyc.rr.com (Michele Waldman)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:24:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
In-Reply-To: <20090206134212.BNDK9192.hrndva-smta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>
Message-ID: <20090207002407.GXHR9192.hrndva-smta02.mail.rr.com@DeJaVu>

Bring on McAfee.

 

Michele

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:42 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

Sure thing.  My hind sight was wrong.  I definitely needed this
implementation.  I can?t log out in ajax with basic.  I always second guess
myself.  Keeps me in check.

 

Good news for you guys.  I?m taking vacation to recuperate from the 15-18
hour days I?ve been working on and off over the last 2 ? months.  I should
be posting for at least a month.

 

  _____  

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Elijah Insua
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:13 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

Michele,
 
just as a suggestion for the future.. could you keep all of these in the
same thread?

Thanks,

-- Elijah

2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>

Sigh. 

 

Warmest regards, 

 

Peter Sawczynec 

Technology Dir.

bl?studio 

941.893.0396

ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  

www.blu-studio.com 

 

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michele Waldman
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight

 

In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.

 

Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.


_______________________________________________
New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

 

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From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri Feb  6 19:29:58 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:29:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] blacklist monitor recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <498CCD90.1040406@polymerdb.org>
References: <498CCD90.1040406@polymerdb.org>
Message-ID: <498CD606.7000102@omnistep.com>

Allen Shaw wrote:
> We're seriously considering bringing our mass email communications 
> in-house for various reasons and want to stay on top of any spam 
> reports against us.
> Can anyone recommend an email blacklist monitoring service you've had 
> good results with?
>
> Thanks,
> Allen
>

Search for "rbl lookup". There are a number of web utilities to check 
your ip's. They're all pretty good.
If you are running your own mail servers, you will know pretty quickly 
if you are blacklisted by monitoring the queue and seeing the emails 
back up. To prevent that, I would recommend pro actively submitting 
whitelist requests for your ip range(s) to the big hosts like aol, 
yahoo, etc.  Unfortunately, some providers (ahem.. COMCAST).. are less 
responsive to your requests and there isn't much that can be done about 
it.   If you are serious about reliable mass email, then you'll want to 
set up mail relays at a number of different hosts around the internet so 
that if and when your server does get blacklisted, you can route the 
rest of your mail through a clean relay.



From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com  Fri Feb  6 20:43:11 2009
From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:43:11 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
Message-ID: <1233970991.28092@coral.he.net>

Michele,

Congrats!!!  Enjoy the party:-). You earned it.


Kristina

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> BTW: 
> 
>  
> 
> Guys,
> 
>  
> 
> I?m drinking now.  Final post before taking vacation.  Yeahhhhhh!  My first
> major website.  I did a Zencart before, but never homespun like this.  I,
> typically, modify E. Indian made websites.
> 
>  
> 
> My implementation is a spin on:
> 
> http://www.berenddeboer.net/rest/authentication.html
> 
>  
> 
> There?s a Opera and Safari kink to iron out.  So, they are not working.
> 
>  
> 
> Because I can?t use this implementation without validating the account
> before login in with ajax, I use php session variables for security outside
> the account.  It validates the user has correctly answered captchas and
> security question and validates the security question id is correct before
> responding the login information is valid.  I use this on all pages trying
> to login or send email to reduce the chances of robots getting anywhere.
> 
>  
> 
> However, once inside I only use that approach when modifying the user?s
> info.  The rest depends entirely on mod_auth_digest/mysql, my version.  That
> means I don?t have to modify every single php file with authentication
> checks.
> 
>  
> 
> I hooked up with a guy on the apache mailing list that gave me the final
> piece of the puzzle to prevent login dialog popups.
> 
>  
> 
> I know I followed a lot of wrong tangents at points and people may think I?m
> lost, but it?s tight now.
> 
>  
> 
> If you don?t have one million hits a day, once opera and safari get on
> board, I welcome you to check it out.
> 
>  
> 
> Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  I?m done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Going
> live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Michele
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Michele Waldman
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
> 
>  
> 
> Sure thing.  My hind sight was wrong.  I definitely needed this
> implementation.  I can?t log out in ajax with basic.  I always second guess
> myself.  Keeps me in check.
> 
>  
> 
> Good news for you guys.  I?m taking vacation to recuperate from the 15-18
> hour days I?ve been working on and off over the last 2 ? months.  I should
> be posting for at least a month.
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Elijah Insua
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:13 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
> 
>  
> 
> Michele,
>  
> just as a suggestion for the future.. could you keep all of these in the
> same thread?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Elijah
> 
> 2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>
> 
> Sigh. 
> 
>  
> 
> Warmest regards, 
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Sawczynec 
> 
> Technology Dir.
> 
> bl?studio 
> 
> 941.893.0396
> 
> ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  
> 
> www.blu-studio.com 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Michele Waldman
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
> 
>  
> 
> In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
> mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.
> 
>  
> 
> Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

-------------------
Kristina D. H. Anderson
PHP Application Developer
"Building a Better Tomorrow, One Line of Code at a Time"
347 254 2810




From ka at kacomputerconsulting.com  Fri Feb  6 20:43:11 2009
From: ka at kacomputerconsulting.com (Kristina Anderson)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:43:11 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
Message-ID: <1233970991.28092@coral.he.net>

Michele,

Congrats!!!  Enjoy the party:-). You earned it.


Kristina

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> BTW: 
> 
>  
> 
> Guys,
> 
>  
> 
> I?m drinking now.  Final post before taking vacation.  Yeahhhhhh!  My first
> major website.  I did a Zencart before, but never homespun like this.  I,
> typically, modify E. Indian made websites.
> 
>  
> 
> My implementation is a spin on:
> 
> http://www.berenddeboer.net/rest/authentication.html
> 
>  
> 
> There?s a Opera and Safari kink to iron out.  So, they are not working.
> 
>  
> 
> Because I can?t use this implementation without validating the account
> before login in with ajax, I use php session variables for security outside
> the account.  It validates the user has correctly answered captchas and
> security question and validates the security question id is correct before
> responding the login information is valid.  I use this on all pages trying
> to login or send email to reduce the chances of robots getting anywhere.
> 
>  
> 
> However, once inside I only use that approach when modifying the user?s
> info.  The rest depends entirely on mod_auth_digest/mysql, my version.  That
> means I don?t have to modify every single php file with authentication
> checks.
> 
>  
> 
> I hooked up with a guy on the apache mailing list that gave me the final
> piece of the puzzle to prevent login dialog popups.
> 
>  
> 
> I know I followed a lot of wrong tangents at points and people may think I?m
> lost, but it?s tight now.
> 
>  
> 
> If you don?t have one million hits a day, once opera and safari get on
> board, I welcome you to check it out.
> 
>  
> 
> Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  I?m done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Going
> live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Michele
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Michele Waldman
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
> 
>  
> 
> Sure thing.  My hind sight was wrong.  I definitely needed this
> implementation.  I can?t log out in ajax with basic.  I always second guess
> myself.  Keeps me in check.
> 
>  
> 
> Good news for you guys.  I?m taking vacation to recuperate from the 15-18
> hour days I?ve been working on and off over the last 2 ? months.  I should
> be posting for at least a month.
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Elijah Insua
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:13 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
> 
>  
> 
> Michele,
>  
> just as a suggestion for the future.. could you keep all of these in the
> same thread?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Elijah
> 
> 2009/2/5 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>
> 
> Sigh. 
> 
>  
> 
> Warmest regards, 
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Sawczynec 
> 
> Technology Dir.
> 
> bl?studio 
> 
> 941.893.0396
> 
> ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at sun-code.com>  
> 
> www.blu-studio.com 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Michele Waldman
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:47 PM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] In hind sight
> 
>  
> 
> In hind sight, I could have used mod_auth_mysql just as well as
> mod_auth_digest/mysql using htaccess the way I do now.
> 
>  
> 
> Duh!  But, it's considered more secure.  So, no loss.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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>  
> 
> 
> 

-------------------
Kristina D. H. Anderson
PHP Application Developer
"Building a Better Tomorrow, One Line of Code at a Time"
347 254 2810




From ajai at bitblit.net  Fri Feb  6 22:43:18 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:43:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compared to Cold Fusion
In-Reply-To: <86F397D96FD09B4792600C76E082F5B6A53DAD@RODIMUS.nylontechnology.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902062233110.13096-100000@bitblit.net>

On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Ricky Robinett wrote:

> 1) From my experience, ColdFusion development is typically faster than
> PHP development, so even though it costs more per hour it can end up 
> being less hours of development time. In a similar way, someone who 
> hires the cheapest PHP developer could end up spending more than hiring 
> a more expensive PHP developer due to the speed and quality of work.

That's probably true of many programming languages. However, I think you'd 
have a bigger pool to select good PHP programmers from than the pool for 
CF.

> 2) A lot of the selling point of CF is that you aren't meant to extend 
> it. It should inherently have what you need already. Although this is
> not the case 100% of the time I think they do a pretty good job of 
> offering a lot of things that you have to extend PHP for (CAPTCHA and 
> PDF creation/manipulation are a couple that come to mind immediately).

To be fair, I see CF as similar to a framework. After all, its written in 
Java right?

> 5) A few high traffic sites (www.senate.gov, http://www.dsireusa.org/i,
> http://www.energystar.gov, http://www.economist.com, 
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/). Also, MySpace was on CF for a while.

The fact that MySpace moved away from CF speaks volumes.

> PHP definitely handles the huge loads better than ColdFusion, and it's 
> something to consider when building an app but I also think it's 
> important to give all languages a fair look. 


-- 
Aj.



From ramons at gmx.net  Sat Feb  7 22:23:54 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:23:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to PHP article in InformationWeek
Message-ID: <498E504A.8080500@gmx.net>

Hi!

Came across this article in InformationWeek. It is about IBM and Zend porting 
PHP to IBM's System i hardware aimed at small business and Fortune 500 (which 
means mom & pop shops and huge corporations?? Doesn't make sense to me, but 
maybe I misunderstand). Seems as if PHP will give Java some competition. 
Interesting read...and apologies if this is old news to you.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/soa/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213201961&cid=nl_IWK_daily_H


David


From brianw1975 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 22:40:33 2009
From: brianw1975 at gmail.com (Brian Williams)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:40:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to PHP article in InformationWeek
In-Reply-To: <498E504A.8080500@gmx.net>
References: <498E504A.8080500@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <ae0c70e80902071940o4e86a173y854c853ac7385833@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if you've ever worked with an AS/400 (I did in some college
classes back in 98 - 00 with COBOL and RPG) it's very powerful and in use by
a LOT of government/industrial companies -- as the article states. The
Series i replaces the AS/400 (side-note:Zend has offered Series i downloads
for a while now, at least for its IDE) and at the risk of sounding like a
little fanboy... this is fantastic news for PHP and PHP programmers over
all.

People with COBOL/RPG and PHP experience will be able to pull in a
*nice*paycheck converting programs or building web-based front-ends to
interface
with those programs.

better start exercising program logic muscles again...



On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:23 PM, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Came across this article in InformationWeek. It is about IBM and Zend
> porting PHP to IBM's System i hardware aimed at small business and Fortune
> 500 (which means mom & pop shops and huge corporations?? Doesn't make sense
> to me, but maybe I misunderstand). Seems as if PHP will give Java some
> competition. Interesting read...and apologies if this is old news to you.
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/soa/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213201961&cid=nl_IWK_daily_H
>
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
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From corey at gelform.com  Sun Feb  8 07:53:58 2009
From: corey at gelform.com (Corey H Maass - gelform.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:53:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend expert needed
Message-ID: <1234097638.17479.1299168597@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hey, folks. I've build a web app in Zend but it could use an expert's
eye, especially when it comes to optimization. Please contact me off
list if yre a Zend expert and interested in a fun project (nights and
weekends is fine). Please include rates and availability. 

Thanks,

Corey

//
Corey H Maass
Gelform Design
Brooklyn, NY
Web design and development for art and business

em corey at gelform.com
ww http://www.gelform.com
ph 646/228.5048
fx 866/502.4861
IM gelform



From lists at zaunere.com  Sun Feb  8 11:50:45 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:50:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
In-Reply-To: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>
References: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>
Message-ID: <006101c98a0d$633c1660$29b44320$@com>

Hi - no takers on this, folks?

H


> Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
> 
> All,
> 
> We're considering working with the PHP QA group and supporting a Test
> Fest
> event, both in the virtual world, and the real-world of NYC.
> 
> Here are overviews:
> 
> http://qa.php.net/testfest.php - the What
> http://wiki.php.net/qa/testfest - the How
> 
> Getting involved with this would greatly benefit PHP itself, as well as
> hone
> your own skills working in a QA testing environment (it's great for a
> resume).
> 
> At this point, I'm interested in:
> 
> -- hearing general thoughts on this type of thing and how it could come
> together in NYC
> 
> -- how many people would be interested in doing the testing?
> 
> -- how many people would be interested in helping to organize?
> 
> Let's discuss on this list to get public feedback, or feel free to
> contact
> me off-list if you'd like to chat directly.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ---
> Hans Zaunere / Managing Member / New York PHP
>       www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From ramons at gmx.net  Sun Feb  8 12:23:39 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:23:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
In-Reply-To: <006101c98a0d$633c1660$29b44320$@com>
References: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>
	<006101c98a0d$633c1660$29b44320$@com>
Message-ID: <498F151B.5070601@gmx.net>

Hans Zaunere wrote:
> Hi - no takers on this, folks?

Hi!

Since I am a QA professional I am interested in it, but being in Sc'dy and the 
event taking place in NYC distance comes in the way. Besides that, we are 
short before a release at work and I currently are over my head in system 
tests while spending my sparse amounts of time at home on a book translation 
that was planned to be done by the end of last December. So time comes in the 
way as well at least for assisting in organizing it. Attending is a different 
issue, but that is influenced by date and time of the event as well as 
personal funding (NYC isn't a half hour drive and if it is in Manhattan, 
Brooklyn, or Queens I won't drive my car there).

In my case it is the same reasons why I only appear on this mailing list and 
don't attend the UG meetings, but in neither case it is because of desinterest.

David


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Feb  8 19:18:29 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:18:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
In-Reply-To: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>
References: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>
Message-ID: <20090209001829.GA24651@panix.com>

Hi Hans:

This could be a fun event.

$community = $people + $food + $beer;
$better_php = $tests = $computers + $community;

I saw the posting on internals and was interested in helping organize a 
local event.  Glad others are thinking similarly.

--Dan

-- 
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            data intensive web and database programming
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From christinak at wll.com  Mon Feb  9 19:32:46 2009
From: christinak at wll.com (Christina Karlhoff)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:32:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
Message-ID: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>

About a year ago NYPHP created a captcha form for our website.  The html
has undergone quite a few changes.  Unfortunately in that process we've
lost some function...when a user submits the form, forgetting a required
field, the session is lost; on the redirect the data that was input by
the user is gone.  Needing some guidance as to how to fix this.  Help
please?
 
thanks!
 
Chris
 
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From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Mon Feb  9 20:02:05 2009
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:02:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
In-Reply-To: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>
References: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>
Message-ID: <4990D20D.7010405@nyphp.com>

Christina Karlhoff wrote:
> About a year ago NYPHP created a captcha form for our website.  The html 
> has undergone quite a few changes.  Unfortunately in that process we've 
> lost some function...when a user submits the form, forgetting a required 
> field, the session is lost; on the redirect the data that was input by 
> the user is gone.  Needing some guidance as to how to fix this.  Help 
> please?

Carry the session id along as a get variable in the redirect, something 
like this:
header( 'Location: somewhere.php?PHPSESSID=' . session_id() );


-- 
=================
Michael Southwell
Vice President, Education
NYPHP TRAINING:  http://nyphp.com/Training/Indepth


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb  9 20:16:24 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:16:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
In-Reply-To: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>
References: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>
Message-ID: <20090210011624.GA2237@panix.com>

Hi Chris:

On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:32:46PM -0500, Christina Karlhoff wrote:
> when a user submits the form, forgetting a required
> field, the session is lost; on the redirect the data that was input by
> the user is gone.

You are talking about two potential situations.

1) The session isn't being maintained between pages.
2) The posted data isn't passed along on the redirect.

The first issue can be due to one or more scripts missing the 
session_start() call at the top.  Or there is other output before the 
session_start() call so the session cookie isn't being set properly (you 
may be not seeing the error message because you have display_errors off, 
so look at your error_log.

The second issue is expected.  The HTTP POST goes to the initial page.  
When you're redirecting to another page, that's a whole new GET request 
unrelated to the initial POST request.

--Dan

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From shiflett at php.net  Mon Feb  9 20:43:17 2009
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:43:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
In-Reply-To: <4990D20D.7010405@nyphp.com>
References: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>
	<4990D20D.7010405@nyphp.com>
Message-ID: <60B906BB-15CC-41DA-A363-2EFE952A4214@php.net>

On Feb 9, 2009, at 20:02, Michael Southwell wrote:

> Christina Karlhoff wrote:
>> About a year ago NYPHP created a captcha form for our website.  The  
>> html has undergone quite a few changes.  Unfortunately in that  
>> process we've lost some function...when a user submits the form,  
>> forgetting a required field, the session is lost; on the redirect  
>> the data that was input by the user is gone.  Needing some guidance  
>> as to how to fix this.  Help please?
>
> Carry the session id along as a get variable in the redirect,  
> something like this:
> header( 'Location: somewhere.php?PHPSESSID=' . session_id() );

Probably best to determine the problem first. The Location header  
requires an absolute URL, and the way you've just used it results in a  
lost session on some older versions of IE. (IE correctly determines  
the host for the request, but it fails to include cookies for that  
host.) So, passing along the session identifier in the URL can correct  
this problem, but it's a poor solution.

Christina, do you have LiveHTTPHeaders for Firefox or something like  
it? If we could see the HTTP transaction in question, I'm sure the  
problem will reveal itself.

Chris

--
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/



From christinak at wll.com  Mon Feb  9 21:31:43 2009
From: christinak at wll.com (Christina Karlhoff)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:31:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
Message-ID: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B88797B@pe2800.wlabs.local>

	Hi Chris,
	
	used livehttpheader and captured the following http headers:
	
	http://www.wll.com/quote.php
	
	POST /quote.php HTTP/1.1
	Host: www.wll.com
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
	Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
	Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
	Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
	Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
	Keep-Alive: 300
	Connection: keep-alive
	Referer: http://www.wll.com/quote.php
	Cookie: PHPSESSID=5257a97a577ea059bb286491a368c8d8
	Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
	Content-Length: 565
	
print_blank_fields=1&Salutation=None&Contact_Name=&CompanyName=&AddressL
ine1=&AddressLine2=&City=&State=&Zip+Code=&Country=&Phone=&CellPhone=&Fa
x=&CustomerEmail=&CompanyWebsite=&HowManySamplesAvailable=&AnyExistingCe
rtification=&NameOfDevice=&VariationsInTheProduct=&HowManyIOCables=&Dime
nsionsSizeAndSetup=test&TransmitterReceiver%5B%5D=Transmitter&WhoIsTheUs
erOfEquipment=test&FCCICApproval=yes&MILSTDApproval=yes&ApprovalTypes=&T
argetCountries%5B%5D=USA&CommentsDescription=test&__ec_i=ec.1234232363.d
a9330995e5da194592cd2b63ff86d92&__ec_s=cl8xx&SUBMIT=Send+Form
	HTTP/1.x 302 Found
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:19 GMT
	Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS)
	X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.9
	Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
	Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate,
post-check=0, pre-check=0
	Pragma: no-cache
	Set-Cookie:
form=a%3A31%3A%7Bs%3A18%3A%22print_blank_fields%22%3Bs%3A1%3A%221%22%3Bs
%3A10%3A%22Salutation%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22None%22%3Bs%3A12%3A%22Contact_Name
%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A11%3A%22CompanyName%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3
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3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22City%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A5%3A%22Stat
e%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A8%3A%22Zip_Code%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A7%
3A%22Country%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A5%3A%22Phone%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%
3Bs%3A9%3A%22CellPhone%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A3%3A%22Fax%22%3Bs%3A0%3
A%22%22%3Bs%3A13%3A%22CustomerEmail%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A14%3A%22Co
mpanyWebsite%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A23%3A%22HowManySamplesAvailable%2
2%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A24%3A%22AnyExistingCertification%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%
22%22%3Bs%3A12%3A%22NameOfDevice%22%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A22%3A%22Varia
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t%22%3Bs%3A19%3A%22TransmitterReceiver%22%3Ba%3A1%3A%7Bi%3A0%3Bs%3A11%3A
%22Transmitter%22%3B%7Ds%3A23%3A%22WhoIsTheUserOfEquipment%22%3Bs%3A4%3A
%22test%22%3Bs%3A13%3A%22FCCICApproval%22%3Bs%3A3%3A%22yes%22%3Bs%3A14%3
A%22MILSTDApproval%22%3Bs%3A3%3A%22yes%22%3Bs%3A13%3A%22ApprovalTypes%22
%3Bs%3A0%3A%22%22%3Bs%3A15%3A%22TargetCountries%22%3Ba%3A1%3A%7Bi%3A0%3B
s%3A3%3A%22USA%22%3B%7Ds%3A19%3A%22CommentsDescription%22%3Bs%3A4%3A%22t
est%22%3Bs%3A6%3A%22__ec_i%22%3Bs%3A46%3A%22ec.1234232363.da9330995e5da1
94592cd2b63ff86d92%22%3Bs%3A6%3A%22__ec_s%22%3Bs%3A5%3A%22cl8xx%22%3Bs%3
A6%3A%22SUBMIT%22%3Bs%3A9%3A%22Send+Form%22%3B%7D; expires=Tue,
10-Feb-2009 02:27:19 GMT
	Location: http://www.wll.com/quote.php
	Content-Length: 0
	Connection: close
	Content-Type: text/html
	----------------------------------------------------------
	http://www.wll.com/quote.php
	
	GET /quote.php HTTP/1.1
	Host: www.wll.com
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
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	HTTP/1.x 200 OK
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:20 GMT
	Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS)
	X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.9
	Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
	Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate,
post-check=0, pre-check=0
	Pragma: no-cache
	Set-Cookie: form=deleted; expires=Mon, 11-Feb-2008 02:22:19 GMT
	Connection: close
	Transfer-Encoding: chunked
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http://www.wll.com//captcha/captcha.php?__ec_i=ec.1234232540.05ead51af64
ae99216682f155c9f4ceb&
	
	GET
//captcha/captcha.php?__ec_i=ec.1234232540.05ead51af64ae99216682f155c9f4
ceb& HTTP/1.1
	Host: www.wll.com:80
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
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	Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
	Keep-Alive: 300
	Connection: keep-alive
	Referer: http://www.wll.com/quote.php
	Cookie: PHPSESSID=5257a97a577ea059bb286491a368c8d8
	
	HTTP/1.x 200 OK
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:20 GMT
	Server: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS)
	X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.9
	Pragma: no-cache
	Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate, private
	Expires: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:20 +0000
	Content-Length: 5849
	Connection: close
	Content-Type: image/jpeg
	----------------------------------------------------------
	http://downloads.thespringbox.com/web/wrapper.php?file=68671.sbw
	
	GET /web/wrapper.php?file=68671.sbw HTTP/1.1
	Host: downloads.thespringbox.com
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
	Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
	Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
	Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
	Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
	Keep-Alive: 300
	Connection: keep-alive
	Referer: http://www.wll.com/quote.php
	
	HTTP/1.x 200 OK
	Server: Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) PHP/5.2.5 with Suhosin-Patch
	X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.5
	Content-Length: 49750
	Content-Type: application/x-shockwave-flash
	Expires: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:20 GMT
	Cache-Control: max-age=0, no-cache
	Pragma: no-cache
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:20 GMT
	Connection: keep-alive
	----------------------------------------------------------
	
http://data.fimlabs.net/amfToRest.php?host=downloads%2Ethespringbox%2Eco
m&page=&widget%5Fname=68671&rf=loadVars&method=checkPermissions&service=
TheSpringBox
	
	GET
/amfToRest.php?host=downloads%2Ethespringbox%2Ecom&page=&widget%5Fname=6
8671&rf=loadVars&method=checkPermissions&service=TheSpringBox HTTP/1.1
	Host: data.fimlabs.net
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
	Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
	Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
	Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
	Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
	Keep-Alive: 300
	Connection: keep-alive
	
	HTTP/1.x 200 OK
	Server: Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) PHP/5.2.5 with Suhosin-Patch
	X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.5
	Content-Length: 277
	Content-Type: text/html
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:21 GMT
	Connection: keep-alive
	----------------------------------------------------------
	http://cdn.thespringbox.com/analytics/uid.php?user%5Fid=%2D1
	
	GET /analytics/uid.php?user%5Fid=%2D1 HTTP/1.1
	Host: cdn.thespringbox.com
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
	Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
	Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
	Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
	Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
	Keep-Alive: 300
	Connection: keep-alive
	Cookie: uid=e0891c95ad969d6633244de473cf2377;
NSC_gjnmbc-qspe=440f89bb3660
	
	HTTP/1.x 200 OK
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:21 GMT
	Server: Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) PHP/5.2.5 with Suhosin-Patch
	X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.5
	Content-Length: 36
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	Connection: Keep-Alive
	Content-Type: text/html
	Set-Cookie: NSC_gjnmbc-qspe=440f89bb3660;expires=Tue, 10-Feb-09
02:27:21 GMT;path=/
	----------------------------------------------------------
	
http://downloads.thespringbox.com/widgets/download.php?file=RSS%20Reader
.sbw
	
	GET /widgets/download.php?file=RSS%20Reader.sbw HTTP/1.1
	Host: downloads.thespringbox.com
	User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
	Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
	Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5
	Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
	Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
	Keep-Alive: 300
	Connection: keep-alive
	
	HTTP/1.x 200 OK
	Server: Apache/2.2.8 (Unix) PHP/5.2.5 with Suhosin-Patch
	X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.5
	Content-Length: 75238
	Content-Type: application/sbw
	Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:21 GMT
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From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Feb  9 22:00:42 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:00:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
In-Reply-To: <4990D20D.7010405@nyphp.com>
References: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887979@pe2800.wlabs.local>
	<4990D20D.7010405@nyphp.com>
Message-ID: <4990EDDA.9000908@gmx.net>

Michael Southwell wrote:
> Christina Karlhoff wrote:
>> About a year ago NYPHP created a captcha form for our website.  The 
>> html has undergone quite a few changes.  Unfortunately in that process 
>> we've lost some function...when a user submits the form, forgetting a 
>> required field, the session is lost; on the redirect the data that was 
>> input by the user is gone.  Needing some guidance as to how to fix 
>> this.  Help please?
> 
> Carry the session id along as a get variable in the redirect, something 
> like this:
> header( 'Location: somewhere.php?PHPSESSID=' . session_id() );


Also, upon calling a script that is dependent on the session make sure that 
the session is picked up again before doing anything else. I use redirects 
frequently (back when I had time to code) and typically did this:

Script A
session_write_close
redirect to Script B

Script B
Session_start

I found that the session_write_close wasn't always necessary, but a few tests 
turned up that variables were still written to the file while the redirect 
already completed. The session_start is then always the first line of code to 
get executed, even before initializing variables, including files, or doing 
anything else.

My approach relies in cookies being set for passing the session_id along. I 
guess the more solid approach is to go with what Michael proposed. I am sure 
that when you use both approaches session data will be preserved and will 
remain available.

Alternatively, anything that is stored in a session can also be stored 
temporarily on the server. You can create your own random IDs and start 
stuffing data into database tables or flat files. That may have other 
disadvantages. I find session handling in PHP to be very convenient, almost 
too convenient as one is tempted to load all kinds of crap into the session 
and piggyback it through all scripts.

HTH

David





From christinak at wll.com  Mon Feb  9 22:08:30 2009
From: christinak at wll.com (Christina Karlhoff)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:08:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
Message-ID: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B88797C@pe2800.wlabs.local>

Hi Michael,
 
on the processing page after the form array is verified and email
address is validated,
 
the code goes like this:
 
 
if ($_POST) {
    
        // save post into a cookie to retrieve later - careful with
captcha fields, do not restore those in interface
        
        setcookie("form", serialize($_POST), time()+300);
 
        if (captcha::check()) {
                if (verify_form($required, $_POST)) {
    //follow the same structure as verify form.  So now, if the form is
verified, we continue. Otherwise we will error out with redirect
    if ( (validate_email($email)) ) {
 
   // redirect to this url on full success and email form
                        header('Location:
http://www.wll.com/thankyou.shtml');
   $_POST['RemoteIP'] = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];
                        mail_form(SENDER, RECIPIENT, SUBJECT, $_POST);
                } else {
          // If not validate email;
            header('Location: ' . $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']);
           } 
        } else {
      // If verify form failed
         header('Location: ' . $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']);
       }
       exit;
       } else {
        // if not capture
         $_SESSION["error"] = 'Verification word does not match';
        header('Location: ' . $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']);
       }
       exit;
} else {
   // if no $_POST variable
   if ($HTTP_COOKIE_VARS['form']) {
   //$form array can be used to set form field values
   // this server sucks, need to remove added slashes
   $form = unserialize(stripslashes($HTTP_COOKIE_VARS['form']));
 
   // destroy cookie on client side
   setcookie('form', '');
  }
  // echo $captcha puts captcha anywhere in the interface
         $captcha = captcha::form("&rarr;&nbsp;");
 }

 

Back on the page containing the form, a block of code linking session
"error" to the data array 

if ($_SESSION["error"]) {
    echo '<font color="red">' . $_SESSION["error"] . '</font>';
    unset($_SESSION["error"]);
   }
 

and reference to the required form data is tucked away:   

 <form action="quote.php" method="POST">
  <input type="hidden" name="print_blank_fields" value="1">
        <!--<input type=hidden name="sort" value="order:Contact
Name,Company,Street,City,State,Zip Code,email,Phone,Fax,EMC Compliance
Testing,Product Safety,Educational Seminars,Site
Surveys,Telecom,Wireless Approvals,Consulting and EMC Specialties, PCS
Site Surveys,Other,Comments">-->
        <center>


 

So i understand that session error shows which required field was not
entered by the user... but, what happens to the session vars with the
form data?

 
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb  9 22:37:41 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:37:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect
In-Reply-To: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B88797C@pe2800.wlabs.local>
References: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B88797C@pe2800.wlabs.local>
Message-ID: <20090210033741.GA13991@panix.com>

Hi Christina:

Before I get into specific code feedback, you REALLY need to get some 
coding standards in place.  Your nesting is a total mess.  Read and 
follow http://pear.php.net/manual/en/standards.php.


On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 10:08:30PM -0500, Christina Karlhoff wrote:
>         
>         setcookie("form", serialize($_POST), time()+300);

No.  Put that stuff in the session, not the cookie.


>                         header('Location:
> http://www.wll.com/thankyou.shtml');
>    $_POST['RemoteIP'] = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];
... snip ...
>             header('Location: ' . $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']);
... snip ...

Ouch.  Security vulnerability.  You can not trust user input.  Unescaped 
user input must not be put directly into databases, HTML, shell execution 
commands or header calls (among other things).  Read 
http://phpsec.org/projects/guide/.


>    if ($HTTP_COOKIE_VARS['form']) {

When you want to access cookies, use $_COOKIE.  That may be the reason 
you're loosing data.  But as mentioned before, you should put this in the 
session.


> So i understand that session error shows which required field was not
> entered by the user... but, what happens to the session vars with the
> form data?

It's not in the session.  It's in a cookie.

--Dan

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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Feb 10 09:11:11 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:11:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
In-Reply-To: <006101c98a0d$633c1660$29b44320$@com>
References: <034a01c987c8$d84fd7d0$88ef8770$@com>
	<006101c98a0d$633c1660$29b44320$@com>
Message-ID: <00ec01c98b89$6cf13fa0$46d3bee0$@com>

So as a follow-up, thanks to everyone for their interest.  I'm going to
follow-up with the QA folks and will announce next steps. For those
interested in participating, please make sure you're on the Org list as
discussion will continue there:

http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/org

H


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-
> bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:51 AM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
> 
> Hi - no takers on this, folks?
> 
> H
> 
> 
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] TestFest and PHP QA at NYPHP
> >
> > All,
> >
> > We're considering working with the PHP QA group and supporting a Test
> > Fest
> > event, both in the virtual world, and the real-world of NYC.
> >
> > Here are overviews:
> >
> > http://qa.php.net/testfest.php - the What
> > http://wiki.php.net/qa/testfest - the How
> >
> > Getting involved with this would greatly benefit PHP itself, as well
> as
> > hone
> > your own skills working in a QA testing environment (it's great for a
> > resume).
> >
> > At this point, I'm interested in:
> >
> > -- hearing general thoughts on this type of thing and how it could
> come
> > together in NYC
> >
> > -- how many people would be interested in doing the testing?
> >
> > -- how many people would be interested in helping to organize?
> >
> > Let's discuss on this list to get public feedback, or feel free to
> > contact
> > me off-list if you'd like to chat directly.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > ---
> > Hans Zaunere / Managing Member / New York PHP
> >       www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com
> >
> > 




From christinak at wll.com  Wed Feb 11 08:29:23 2009
From: christinak at wll.com (Christina Karlhoff)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:29:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] lost sessions on redirect  - Found
Message-ID: <EF0605FC343F204C9F5A8771CC09B22B887A4A@pe2800.wlabs.local>

Hi all,
 
Well, as it turns out the problem was syntax - 
 
field values had one too many " marks...and the values weren't being
carried into the session.
 
There was
 
<input name="Contact_Name" value=""<? echo $form["Contact_Name"]; ?>"">

instead of

<input name="Contact_Name" value="<? echo $form["Contact_Name"]; ?>">

 
Now field values are being retained on redirect.  [Thank you Hans!!!]
 
 
Onto another question:  in testing the form redirect, i find
textbox-type and textarea-type form field values are retained, but not
checkbox values.
 
How would i include checkbox values in the $form array? 
 
I'd appreciate some tips.
 
Thanks!!
 
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From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed Feb 11 10:40:19 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:40:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Puts PHP on IBM System i
Message-ID: <4992F163.10504@omnistep.com>

Might be old news? Just saw it on my eweek feed this morning.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Zend-Puts-PHP-on-IBM-System-i/?kc=NANANANANAFAKETRACKINGIDHIFROMNYPHP
or
http://tinyurl.com/bdu3gb

~Rolan*
*


From alan at alanseiden.com  Wed Feb 11 12:26:39 2009
From: alan at alanseiden.com (Alan Seiden)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:26:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Link to PHP article in InformationWeek
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1234112401.25672.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
References: <mailman.1.1234112401.25672.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <49930A4F.5030404@alanseiden.com>

PHP has been officially supported on IBM i since 2006, when Zend/IBM 
began providing IBM i's users with a no-charge package consisting of 
Zend Core, Studio, support, and special extensions.

(IBM i is the newest name for a system formerly called AS/400, iSeries, 
i5, and System i.)

So what's the news about? Till now, Zend Core was only available as a 
download. Now, IBM is making a big statement by including Zend Core on 
IBM i's operating system CDs. Because many IBM i customers take their 
lead from IBM, customers will see this as a strong signal that it's OK 
to use PHP.

These days, I specialize in implementing PHP on IBM i. I've even done 
gigs to mentor teams in implementing Zend Framework on their "i", with 
its special version of db2 and all.

I agree with Brian that there's opportunity for PHP developers 
interested in converting or front-ending text-based "i" applications.

Alan
--
Alan Seiden
Senior Developer/Technical Lead
Zend Framework Certified Engineer
PHP i5 Solutions, Strategic Business Systems, Inc.
alan at alanseiden.com <mailto:alan at alanseiden.com> | 201-327-8746 x144
blog: alanseiden.com
       
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:40:33 -0500
> From: Brian Williams <brianw1975 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Link to PHP article in InformationWeek
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<ae0c70e80902071940o4e86a173y854c853ac7385833 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I don't know if you've ever worked with an AS/400 (I did in some college
> classes back in 98 - 00 with COBOL and RPG) it's very powerful and in use by
> a LOT of government/industrial companies -- as the article states. The
> Series i replaces the AS/400 (side-note:Zend has offered Series i downloads
> for a while now, at least for its IDE) and at the risk of sounding like a
> little fanboy... this is fantastic news for PHP and PHP programmers over
> all.
>
> People with COBOL/RPG and PHP experience will be able to pull in a
> *nice*paycheck converting programs or building web-based front-ends to
> interface
> with those programs.
>
> better start exercising program logic muscles again...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:23 PM, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi!
>>
>> Came across this article in InformationWeek. It is about IBM and Zend
>> porting PHP to IBM's System i hardware aimed at small business and Fortune
>> 500 (which means mom & pop shops and huge corporations?? Doesn't make sense
>> to me, but maybe I misunderstand). Seems as if PHP will give Java some
>> competition. Interesting read...and apologies if this is old news to you.
>>
>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/soa/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=213201961&cid=nl_IWK_daily_H
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From fgabrieli at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 18:36:53 2009
From: fgabrieli at gmail.com (Fernando Gabrieli)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:36:53 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend Puts PHP on IBM System i
In-Reply-To: <4992F163.10504@omnistep.com>
References: <4992F163.10504@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <be1d525a0902111536h7d69da6fm5194128ad58d5255@mail.gmail.com>

very interesting!

and it started as "Personal Home Page" right? :)

fernando

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com> wrote:

> Might be old news? Just saw it on my eweek feed this morning.
>
>
> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Zend-Puts-PHP-on-IBM-System-i/?kc=NANANANANAFAKETRACKINGIDHIFROMNYPHP
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/bdu3gb
>
> ~Rolan*
> *
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From ken at secdat.com  Thu Feb 12 21:23:28 2009
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:23:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ANNOUNCE] Significant Andromeda Documentation Updates
Message-ID: <4994D9A0.1000009@secdat.com>

Andromeda today received significant documentation updates.  Our current 
push is to finish off the docs, then we attack the bugs and proceed to 
Release 1.

1) The entire Database Programming section is finished - Andromeda's 
most important feature.

2) A complete section on Database Access has been added.

3) A complete section on modifying the "free" admin screens has been added.

4) Upgrade scripts have been documented.

5) A new section on using x6 plugins has been started and about 1/2 
completed.

6) Styles have been added for notices and alerts.

In terms of bug fixes and site improvements we have:

1) The search box was fixed.

2) Search now matches lots of relevant terms to pages, so searching for 
"range_from" gets you to the page on ranged primary keys.

3) The image links are now working.


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software, Inc.
www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From guilhermeblanco at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 22:20:48 2009
From: guilhermeblanco at gmail.com (Guilherme Blanco)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:20:48 -0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ANNOUNCE] Significant Andromeda Documentation
	Updates
In-Reply-To: <4994D9A0.1000009@secdat.com>
References: <4994D9A0.1000009@secdat.com>
Message-ID: <bcb7aa500902121920w54abbe2di8153ee81390dfc69@mail.gmail.com>

Demo is not running.

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting ')' in
/var/www/finance_demo/dynamic/table_configinst.php on line 20

Cheers,

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> Andromeda today received significant documentation updates.  Our current
> push is to finish off the docs, then we attack the bugs and proceed to
> Release 1.
>
> 1) The entire Database Programming section is finished - Andromeda's most
> important feature.
>
> 2) A complete section on Database Access has been added.
>
> 3) A complete section on modifying the "free" admin screens has been added.
>
> 4) Upgrade scripts have been documented.
>
> 5) A new section on using x6 plugins has been started and about 1/2
> completed.
>
> 6) Styles have been added for notices and alerts.
>
> In terms of bug fixes and site improvements we have:
>
> 1) The search box was fixed.
>
> 2) Search now matches lots of relevant terms to pages, so searching for
> "range_from" gets you to the page on ranged primary keys.
>
> 3) The image links are now working.
>
>
> --
> Kenneth Downs
> Secure Data Software, Inc.
> www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
> 631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
> cell: 631-379-0010
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>



-- 
Guilherme Blanco - Web Developer
CBC - Certified Bindows Consultant
Cell Phone: +55 (16) 9215-8480
MSN: guilhermeblanco at hotmail.com
URL: http://blog.bisna.com
S?o Paulo - SP/Brazil


From marybeth at nyc.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 12:48:09 2009
From: marybeth at nyc.rr.com (Mary Beth Kooper)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:48:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1233680401.11622.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
References: <mailman.1.1233680401.11622.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5C08C4F2-BE65-427E-935B-72C4356EE501@nyc.rr.com>

>

> The Jewish Museum: http://www.thejewishmuseum.org

Saving Antiquities for Everyone (SAFE): http://www.savingantiquities.org






> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:43:46 -0500
> From: "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com>
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: "'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <000001c98598$79862f10$6c928d30$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="windows-1257"
>
> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
> below, please reply with your additions.
>
> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
> Facebook  www.facebook.com
> Amazon  www.amazon.com
> Flickr  www.flickr.com
> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
> UNICEF www.unicef.org
> UNESCO www.unesco.org
> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
> NAACP www.naacp.org
> The Fund for Peace www.fundforpeace.org
> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
> MTV  www.mtv.com
> United Nations  www.un.org
>
> Warmest regards,
> ?
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:31:52 -0500
> From: "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <003701c985b8$56e8e4f0$04baaed0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="windows-1257"
>
> Well, I added a few more myself...
>
> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
> Facebook  www.facebook.com
> Amazon  www.amazon.com
> Flickr  www.flickr.com
> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
> Second Life www.secondlife.com
>
> Harvard University  www.harvard.edu
> Amherst College  www.amherst.edu
> Tufts University www.tufts.edu
>
> Nobel Prize Foundation www.nobelprize.org
> Hearst Foundation  www.hearstfdn.org
> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
>
> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
> UNICEF www.unicef.org
> UNESCO www.unesco.org
> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
> Magic Johnson Foundation www.magicjohnson.com
> NAACP www.naacp.org
> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
> United Nations  www.un.org
>
> Museum of Contemporary Art Los Angeles www.moca.org
> Art Institute of Chicago www.artic.edu
> Museum of Modern Art (NYC)  www.moma.org
> American Museum of Natural History (NYC) www.amnh.org
> Brooklyn Museum  www.brooklynmuseum.org
>
> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
> MTV  www.mtv.com
>
> Port Authority of NY & NJ www.panynj.gov
> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
> Central Park (NYC) www.centralpark.com
>
> Warmest regards,
> ?
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:44 PM
> To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
>
> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
> below, please reply with your additions.
>
> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
> Facebook  www.facebook.com
> Amazon  www.amazon.com
> Flickr  www.flickr.com
> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
> UNICEF www.unicef.org
> UNESCO www.unesco.org
> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
> NAACP www.naacp.org
> The Fund for Peace www.fundforpeace.org
> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
> MTV  www.mtv.com
> United Nations  www.un.org
>
> Warmest regards,
> ?
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 23:52:42 -0500
> From: John Campbell <jcampbell1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<8f0676b40902022052r2b8a3b6axec1754baa3b931c3 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-13
>
> Thanks for compiling the list.
>
> Thought it was a little silly at first, but now that you have
> responded with the compiled list, I am glad you asked.
>
> Cheers,
> John Campbell
>
> 2009/2/2 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
>> Well, I added a few more myself...
>>
>> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
>> Facebook  www.facebook.com
>> Amazon  www.amazon.com
>> Flickr  www.flickr.com
>> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
>> Second Life www.secondlife.com
>>
>> Harvard University  www.harvard.edu
>> Amherst College  www.amherst.edu
>> Tufts University www.tufts.edu
>>
>> Nobel Prize Foundation www.nobelprize.org
>> Hearst Foundation  www.hearstfdn.org
>> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
>>
>> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
>> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
>> UNICEF www.unicef.org
>> UNESCO www.unesco.org
>> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
>> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
>> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
>> Magic Johnson Foundation www.magicjohnson.com
>> NAACP www.naacp.org
>> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
>> United Nations  www.un.org
>>
>> Museum of Contemporary Art Los Angeles www.moca.org
>> Art Institute of Chicago www.artic.edu
>> Museum of Modern Art (NYC)  www.moma.org
>> American Museum of Natural History (NYC) www.amnh.org
>> Brooklyn Museum  www.brooklynmuseum.org
>>
>> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
>> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
>> MTV  www.mtv.com
>>
>> Port Authority of NY & NJ www.panynj.gov
>> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
>> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
>> Central Park (NYC) www.centralpark.com
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Peter Sawczynec
>> Technology Dir.
>> bl?studio
>> 941.893.0396
>> ps at blu-studio.com
>> www.blu-studio.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:44 PM
>> To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
>>
>> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
>> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
>> below, please reply with your additions.
>>
>> Yahoo  www.yahoo.com
>> Facebook  www.facebook.com
>> Amazon  www.amazon.com
>> Flickr  www.flickr.com
>> Wikipedia   www.wikipedia.com
>> Greenpeace www.greenpeace.org
>> UNICEF www.unicef.org
>> UNESCO www.unesco.org
>> Audubon Society www.audubon.org
>> CancerCare www.cancercare.org
>> Autism Speaks www.autismspeaks.org
>> Betty Ford Center www.bettyfordcenter.org
>> NAACP www.naacp.org
>> The Fund for Peace www.fundforpeace.org
>> Peaceforce www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
>> Lilly Endowment www.lillyendowment.org
>> International Herald Tribune www.iht.com
>> NYC Parks Department www.nycgovparks.org
>> NY Botanical Garden www.nybg.org
>> NY Times  www.nytimes.com
>> MTV  www.mtv.com
>> United Nations  www.un.org
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Peter Sawczynec
>> Technology Dir.
>> bl?studio
>> 941.893.0396
>> ps at blu-studio.com
>> www.blu-studio.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:14:09 -0500
> From: David Krings <ramons at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <49883511.8090202 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257; format=flowed
>
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
>> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
>> below, please reply with your additions.
>
> Hi!
>
> Found by accident that our local museum and planetarium uses PHP as  
> well:
> http://www.schenectadymuseum.org/
> Best to see when one clicks on the planetarium link.
>
> Or another museum on the other side of the Mohawk:
> http://www.esam.org/
>
> And how could I forget the support page I made years ago for  
> Ingersoll-Rand /
> Schlage. My replacements made some changes to it, but it uses PHP  
> for the search:
> http://irsupport.net/
>
>
> HTH,
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:41:08 -0500
> From: Greg Rundlett <greg.rundlett at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<5e2aaca40902030541s209945b5qc7904d8d61b152ff at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I too am glad to see a nice list.  The compiled list (plus link to
> Whitepaper) is at http://freephile.com/wiki/index.php/Who_uses_php
>
> Cite or re-use freely
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:30:43 -0500
> From: Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <49885513.8090604 at magpie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257; format=flowed
>
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
>> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
>> below, please reply with your additions.
>
> The Childrens Health Fund  http://childrenshealthfund.org/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:36:05 -0500
> From: Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <49885655.1080106 at magpie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Steve Manes wrote:
>> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>>> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or non-profit PHP
>>> users that can be added to this list below, please reply with your
>>> additions.
>>
>> The Childrens Health Fund  http://childrenshealthfund.org/
>
> I don't know if you're just looking just for public web sites but the
> Transportation and Referral Management Systems (TRMS) I built for them
> is rolling out to all 17 CHF programs around the country.  It's PHP5 +
> PostgreSQL.  I'm about to start a new one for childhood diabetes.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:16:03 -0500
> From: David Krings <ramons at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Corp. and Non-Profit PHP Users for Web
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <49885FB3.3080801 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257; format=flowed
>
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>> If you still know additional high-profile corp. or
>> non-profit PHP users that can be added to this list
>> below, please reply with your additions.
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I 'found' another one, this time a for-profit corporation and a  
> Microsoft
> DotNet Showcase Company. MadCap Software uses PHP to run their  
> support forum
> (which is phpBB) at http://forums.madcapsoftware.com
>
> One of these cases where I look at it every day and just don't  
> register that
> it is PHP. As a disclaimer (no clue if it is needed), I am a MadCap  
> MVP and
> MAD certified (not certified mad!).
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> End of talk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 6
> ***********************************



From nhart at partsauthority.com  Fri Feb 13 15:31:58 2009
From: nhart at partsauthority.com (Nicholas Hart)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:31:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
Message-ID: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>

I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It uses
arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops in which it
tests various currency values from a separate 4 field table and sorts them
to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field table record.  It has
about 640,000 Product records per 4 Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records
to insert.  It takes several hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a
way to speed it up.

So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing a few
functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a
Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as
python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.

Nicholas Hart
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From bonsaime at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 15:37:06 2009
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:37:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa9991030902131237i1bff729cs772243d94145f218@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Nicholas Hart <nhart at partsauthority.com> wrote:
> I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It uses
> arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops in which it
> tests various currency values from a separate 4 field table and sorts them
> to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field table record.  It has
> about 640,000 Product records per 4 Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records
> to insert.  It takes several hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a
> way to speed it up.
>
> So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing a few
> functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
> unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a
> Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as
> python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.
>
> Nicholas Hart
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>

Do your inserts in chunks. If you have the RAM, do one big insert.
Otherwise you have to hit the disk for each record which can be slow
especially if you have table locks going on elsewhere.

-jesse


From ken at secdat.com  Fri Feb 13 15:39:50 2009
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:39:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4995DA96.5050405@secdat.com>

This ain't PHP,and Python won't help.  Inserting 2.4 million rows into a 
database will take hours if you go line by line.  You are paying a big 
overhead of a round trip to the server for each row.

The best way to speed it up is to use what they call "bulk copy" on MS 
SQL Server and "copy" on PostgreSQL.  I'd have to assume mySQL has 
something by the same name.

Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line, in which 
case you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o 
requiring you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.

Nicholas Hart wrote:
> I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It 
> uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops 
> in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field 
> table and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 
> field table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4 
> Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes several 
> hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up. 
>
> So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing 
> a few functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being 
> unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a 
> Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as 
> python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.
>
> Nicholas Hart
>
>
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From anthony at thrillist.com  Fri Feb 13 15:39:52 2009
From: anthony at thrillist.com (Anthony Wlodarski)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:39:52 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <aa9991030902131237i1bff729cs772243d94145f218@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5BB44C8.3805%anthony@thrillist.com>

I would have to agree.  The disk I/O is going to be large for a such a data set.  I think in this instance it is better to ask a few hundred bigger questions of the database then a few million smaller questions.

-Anthony


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________________________________
From: Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com>
Reply-To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:37:06 -0800
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Nicholas Hart <nhart at partsauthority.com> wrote:
> I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It uses
> arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops in which it
> tests various currency values from a separate 4 field table and sorts them
> to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field table record.  It has
> about 640,000 Product records per 4 Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records
> to insert.  It takes several hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a
> way to speed it up.
>
> So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing a few
> functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
> unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a
> Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as
> python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.
>
> Nicholas Hart
>
>
>
>
>
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Do your inserts in chunks. If you have the RAM, do one big insert.
Otherwise you have to hit the disk for each record which can be slow
especially if you have table locks going on elsewhere.

-jesse
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From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Feb 13 15:46:10 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:46:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01ed01c98e1c$1a14a980$4e3dfc80$@com>

> I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It
> uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops
> in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field table
> and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field
> table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4 Customers or
> apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes several hours+ to
> complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up.
> 
> So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing a
> few functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
> unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a
> Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as
> python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.

Why would this be considered a result of PHP being slow?  You're doing many
millions of database queries (both INSERT and SELECT from what you
describe), which is the real culprit.

Some things to consider:

-- minimize lookup queries by caching, or loading your lookup tables into
PHP arrays, thus avoiding database queries

-- make sure that any lookup queries you do perform are against a well
indexed table - similarly, consider key buffer sizes, buffer pool sizes, and
all that good stuff

-- attempt to batch inserts (see http://dev.mysql.com/insert for various
techniques)

-- look at dev.mysql.com and google for mysql bulk insert and mysql bulk
insert configuration - there are a lot of tunables pertaining to these types
of operations, including temp. turning off indexes, etc.

The only PHP specific item I'd consider at this point is to explicitly free
memory and resources to keep the memory footprint as small as possible.
PHP's garbage collection cannot always be, well, perfect, for long running
processes.

H




From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri Feb 13 16:16:50 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:16:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4995E342.2040208@omnistep.com>

Nicholas Hart wrote:
> I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It 
> uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops 
> in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field 
> table and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 
> field table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4 
> Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes several 
> hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up. 
>

If you can get away with it, you might try dumping the data to a csv 
file and using a "load data infile" within mysql to import the whole 
batch of data at once. Another thing that might be slowing down your 
inserts are mysql indexes. If you can disable your indexes, import the 
data, then re-index afterwards, that should speed up the import.

~Rolan


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 16:28:37 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:28:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
In-Reply-To: <4995DA96.5050405@secdat.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4995DA96.5050405@secdat.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> This ain't PHP,and Python won't help.  Inserting 2.4 million rows into a
> database will take hours if you go line by line.  You are paying a big
> overhead of a round trip to the server for each row.
>
> The best way to speed it up is to use what they call "bulk copy" on MS SQL
> Server and "copy" on PostgreSQL.  I'd have to assume mySQL has something by
> the same name.
>
> Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line, in which case
> you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o requiring
> you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.
>

To the best of my knowledge, you can't send more than one statement at
a time through the php interface, unless there's something in the
mysqli extension that allows it.

Perhaps you could generate the SQL insert statements and append them
to a file as you go. When all the loops are done, pipe the file into
MySQL using the command line interface:

mysql -u username -ppassword databasename < file.sql

If some inserts depend on previous inserts (for related row ids or
something) it might take a little more logic to work that all out, but
it should still be possible.


From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Feb 13 16:36:32 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:36:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
In-Reply-To: <b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>	<4995DA96.5050405@secdat.com>
	<b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020d01c98e23$232ea9b0$698bfd10$@com>

> > Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line, in which
case
> > you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o
requiring
> > you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, you can't send more than one statement at
> a time through the php interface, unless there's something in the
> mysqli extension that allows it.

There is http://us2.php.net/manual/en/mysqli.multi-query.php


...but this is really about this...

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert.html

"INSERT statements that use VALUES syntax can insert multiple rows..."

H




From paul at devonianfarm.com  Fri Feb 13 16:43:44 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:43:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
In-Reply-To: <b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>	<4995DA96.5050405@secdat.com>
	<b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4995E990.6010504@devonianfarm.com>

The fastest way to get data into mysql is like this:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/load-data.html

I needed to load 2.5M RDF triples into mysql to look up some 
identifiers.  My RDF store balked at the turtle file,  so I hacked away 
the header and treated it like a space-separated file.  LOAD DATA INFILE 
was scary fast...  It loaded the data in 3 seconds!

Once you've loaded raw data into mysql you can do all kinds of tricks like

INSERT INTO ... SELECT

to process the information into the desired form.  If you can do this 
processing w/ clever mysql coding,  you can probably do it in 1/10 the 
LOC and more than 10 times the speed that it would take you in a 
procedural language.  The main thing is that you'll need to be 
comfortable with joins,  subselects and writing extreme queries.


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Feb 13 17:11:33 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:11:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090213221133.GA22107@panix.com>

Hi Nicholas:

Here are two additional options to consider, both revolving around the 
concept of getting the database to do the work.

First, many people write scripts to read, modify and then write the data 
back to the database because they are unfamilliar with the INSERT SELECT 
and UPDATE SELECT syntaxes.  These syntaxes are very powerful.

Second, if you have very complex, interdependent operations to do that 
can't be done via queries, turn it into a stored procedure inside MySQL.

Oh, and a third possiblity is to combine the two.  Write some functions 
that you can then use in the queries.

All that aside, you could be having issues with transaction buffers 
getting huge or slow query logging bogging things down.  Are you using 
transactions at all?

--Dan

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 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From shiflett at php.net  Fri Feb 13 17:37:48 2009
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:37:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Party Like It's 1234567890
Message-ID: <41BDD58C-89D0-43C5-9E4A-83AC88A21379@php.net>

It's a little late, but if anyone is interested in dropping by our  
office to christen our new kegerator and celebrate Unix time  
1234567890, let me know. Address and map here:

http://omniti.com/is/here

The New York office, of course. :-)

Chris


From ps at blu-studio.com  Sat Feb 14 20:45:08 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:45:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
Message-ID: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>

Good Day All:

I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
plenty of CSS interface customization.
   
I'd really appreciate hearing the ones you suggest. 

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 





From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 20:55:52 2009
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:55:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
Message-ID: <97B58372-52E7-432E-B09F-24876B0F10C0@gmail.com>

I think wordpress pretty much owns the blogging space at the moment.




On Feb 14, 2009, at 8:45 PM, "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com>  
wrote:

> Good Day All:
>
> I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
> application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to  
> have
> plenty of CSS interface customization.
>
> I'd really appreciate hearing the ones you suggest.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php


From dirn at dirnonline.com  Sat Feb 14 21:02:16 2009
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (Andy Dirnberger)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:02:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
Message-ID: <000001c98f11$6df4de30$49de9a90$@com>

The two with which I have experience are WordPress MU
(http://mu.wordpress.org/) and ExpressionEngine
(http://expressionengine.com/).

WordPress MU is, well, WordPress.  If you haven't worked with WordPress
before, customization is a pretty simple.

ExpressionEngine, on the other hand, I threw out as quickly as I possibly
could.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Peter Sawczynec
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:45 PM
To: 'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs

Good Day All:

I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
plenty of CSS interface customization.
   
I'd really appreciate hearing the ones you suggest. 

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 



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From greg at freephile.com  Sat Feb 14 21:07:09 2009
From: greg at freephile.com (Greg Rundlett (freephile))
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:07:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
Message-ID: <5e2aaca40902141807w5839f63dm5caf8a27d65b1aa2@mail.gmail.com>

2009/2/14 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:
> Good Day All:
>
> I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
> application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
> plenty of CSS interface customization.
>
> I'd really appreciate hearing the ones you suggest.

I've used Serendipity
http://www.s9y.org

and Drupal
http://drupal.org

I'd say that Serendipity is pretty good, but that I've moved to Drupal
because of the flexibility to do so much more with it besides
blogging.

Both can run multiple blogs.  I'm not sure about (multiple)
customizations on S9y, but I know drupal can have the UI customized in
a very extensible way

~ Greg--
Greg Rundlett
Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
http://iic.harvard.edu
camb 617-384-5872
nbpt 978-225-8302
m. 978-764-4424
-skype/aim/irc/twitter freephile
http://profiles.aim.com/freephile


From ajai at bitblit.net  Sat Feb 14 21:55:40 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:55:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902142154260.13096-100000@bitblit.net>

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:

I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
plenty of CSS interface customization.
   
For multiple blogs look at b2evolution.

For something super simple, look at textpattern.

Wordpress is not the only game in town.


-- 
Aj.



From brianw1975 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 22:01:17 2009
From: brianw1975 at gmail.com (Brian Williams)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:01:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902142154260.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902142154260.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <ae0c70e80902141901pb1e66fay784a08c131be7f20@mail.gmail.com>

> Wordpress is not the only game in town.
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>


and it's an utter pain in the you-know-what if you try to install it on a
windows server....
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From ajai at bitblit.net  Sat Feb 14 22:05:30 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:05:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <ae0c70e80902141901pb1e66fay784a08c131be7f20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902142205020.13096-100000@bitblit.net>

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Brian Williams wrote:

> and it's an utter pain in the you-know-what if you try to install it on a
> windows server....

Frankly, most things are a pain to install on Windoze... :-)


-- 
Aj.



From ramons at gmx.net  Sun Feb 15 08:27:33 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:27:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
Message-ID: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>

Hello!

Yesterday I applied patches and upgrades to my servers (Apache, MySQL, PHP) 
and while that worked out nicely except that I yet again have to recreate all 
the MySQL user accounts (in my case it is only a few, so I will survive) I 
wondered about the following:
Can I recycle the ini/conf files for Apache and PHP going from version to 
version? I use Apache 2.x and PHP 5.x and the updates I put in were just dot 
releases, but since I spent endless hours tweaking especially the php.ini I 
wonder if it is OK to just keep using it. Any opinions?

David


From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 11:20:16 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:20:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <5458db3c0902150820s12fa4c6bm10e880ff11166838@mail.gmail.com>

Well try to reuse the php.ini files and check the log too see what
breaks,etc. Also, if your ini files are similar to the stock ones in
terms of layout use diff. Better yet find a gui merge tool. I use
winmerge on windows. I'm sure java or x11 ones exist.

On 2/15/09, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Yesterday I applied patches and upgrades to my servers (Apache, MySQL, PHP)
> and while that worked out nicely except that I yet again have to recreate
> all
> the MySQL user accounts (in my case it is only a few, so I will survive) I
> wondered about the following:
> Can I recycle the ini/conf files for Apache and PHP going from version to
> version? I use Apache 2.x and PHP 5.x and the updates I put in were just dot
> releases, but since I spent endless hours tweaking especially the php.ini I
> wonder if it is OK to just keep using it. Any opinions?
>
> David
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>

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From tim_lists at o2group.com  Sun Feb 15 19:59:20 2009
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:59:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <5458db3c0902150820s12fa4c6bm10e880ff11166838@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>
	<5458db3c0902150820s12fa4c6bm10e880ff11166838@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12E6FCCD-1AF3-4F10-8B01-86DD0F94DF09@o2group.com>

On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Justin Dearing wrote:

> Well try to reuse the php.ini files and check the log too see what
> breaks,etc. Also, if your ini files are similar to the stock ones in
> terms of layout use diff. Better yet find a gui merge tool. I use
> winmerge on windows. I'm sure java or x11 ones exist.

In my experience, it's pretty safe at least for minor releases. For  
PHP, you're probably pretty safe until PHP6.  Of course, you should  
thoroughly test and watch any system after an upgrade.

Another config/ini file hint: stick them all in subversion (or your  
VCS of choice).  It's nice to be able to look back and see how  
configurations change over time.


From arzala at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 22:40:25 2009
From: arzala at gmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:10:25 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200902160910.25693.arzala@gmail.com>

On Saturday 14 Feb 2009 2:01:58 am Nicholas Hart wrote:
> I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It uses
> arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops in which
> it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field table and sorts
> them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field table record.  It
> has about 640,000 Product records per 4 Customers or apporx. 2.4 million
> records to insert.  It takes several hours+ to complete and I am hoping
> there is a way to speed it up.
>
> So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing a few
> functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
> unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a
> Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as
> python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.
>
> Nicholas Hart

Besides all of these good suggestions, always use "timers" to measure time 
spent behind execution of certain portion of your script to identify what 
part is taking so long.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala


From JoeyD473 at nyc.rr.com  Mon Feb 16 00:51:39 2009
From: JoeyD473 at nyc.rr.com (Joey Derrico)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:51:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <ae0c70e80902141901pb1e66fay784a08c131be7f20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902142154260.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
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I have never had an issue with installing WP on a windows server. I 
still prefer it on a linux server, but never had a problem on a WIndows 
server

Joey Derrico

Brian Williams wrote:
>
>     Wordpress is not the only game in town.
>
>
>     --
>     Aj.
>
>
>
> and it's an utter pain in the you-know-what if you try to install it 
> on a windows server....
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From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Feb 16 07:02:51 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:02:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <200902160910.25693.arzala@gmail.com>
References: <3719ecad0902131231y538628d0l56754c7c27dbd62c@mail.gmail.com>
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Anirudh Zala wrote:
  > Besides all of these good suggestions, always use "timers" to measure time
> spent behind execution of certain portion of your script to identify what 
> part is taking so long.


Or usa an IDE that includes a profiler, because those are designed for that 
purpose (at least during development).

David


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb 16 09:14:47 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:14:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>

Hi David:

> Yesterday I applied patches and upgrades to my servers (Apache, MySQL, 
> PHP) and while that worked out nicely except that I yet again have to 
> recreate all the MySQL user accounts

Uh, "have" is the wrong word there. :)  You don't need to drop a database 
before upgrading.  You leave your old tables in place and MySQL provides 
upgrade scripts that implement changes between server versions.


> Can I recycle the ini/conf files for Apache and PHP going from version to 
> version?

Of course.

To simplify tracking and maintenance, in major systems I've worked on, 
the configuration files only contained a few lines.  Those lines adjusted 
the settings that we didn't like the default values built in to PHP, 
MySQL or Apache.

--Dan

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From ps at blu-studio.com  Mon Feb 16 09:26:26 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:26:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net> <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c99042$8dd2bf10$a9783d30$@com>

Additionally, I've seen and made conf and ini files with all the line
spacing and comments stripped out and that also makes for a nice short
and pithy file. (You can keep a copy of a default ini laying around in
case you need a reference.)

> To simplify tracking and maintenance, in major systems I've worked on,

> the configuration files only contained a few lines.  Those lines
adjusted 
> the settings that we didn't like the default values built in to PHP, 
> MySQL or Apache.

But, I just want to clarify here, Dan. So you are saying you can delete
every entry in the Apache conf and MySQL, PHP ini and the products will
work correctly on their own using all default settings that are actually
pre-programmed into the product and get applied with or without the
config files.

And you are saying you need only keep your changed settings in the conf
and ini files?

Do I get that correctly?

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Daniel Convissor
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:15 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files

Hi David:

> Yesterday I applied patches and upgrades to my servers (Apache, MySQL,

> PHP) and while that worked out nicely except that I yet again have to 
> recreate all the MySQL user accounts

Uh, "have" is the wrong word there. :)  You don't need to drop a
database 
before upgrading.  You leave your old tables in place and MySQL provides

upgrade scripts that implement changes between server versions.


> Can I recycle the ini/conf files for Apache and PHP going from version
to 
> version?

Of course.


--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb 16 09:55:20 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:55:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <002e01c99042$8dd2bf10$a9783d30$@com>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net> <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
	<002e01c99042$8dd2bf10$a9783d30$@com>
Message-ID: <20090216145520.GA16877@panix.com>

Hi Peter:

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 09:26:26AM -0500, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> 
> So you are saying you can delete
> every entry in the Apache conf and MySQL, PHP ini and the products will
> work correctly on their own using all default settings that are actually
> pre-programmed into the product and get applied with or without the
> config files.
> 
> And you are saying you need only keep your changed settings in the conf
> and ini files?

Yep.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Feb 16 09:56:27 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:56:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net> <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
Message-ID: <49997E9B.3030807@gmx.net>

Daniel Convissor wrote:
> Hi David:
> 
>> Yesterday I applied patches and upgrades to my servers (Apache, MySQL, 
>> PHP) and while that worked out nicely except that I yet again have to 
>> recreate all the MySQL user accounts
> 
> Uh, "have" is the wrong word there. :)  You don't need to drop a database 
> before upgrading.  You leave your old tables in place and MySQL provides 
> upgrade scripts that implement changes between server versions.
> 
> 

So you are saying I could drop in the old system tables as well and run the 
update application? I read several tutorials and they all stated  explicitly 
that one should not do that, but only apply that update mechanism to the own 
tables. Maybe I should read better tutorials?

David


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb 16 10:04:17 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:04:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <49997E9B.3030807@gmx.net>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net> <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
	<49997E9B.3030807@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090216150417.GC16877@panix.com>

Hi David:

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 09:56:27AM -0500, David Krings wrote:
> Daniel Convissor wrote:
>>
>> Uh, "have" is the wrong word there. :)  You don't need to drop a 
>> database before upgrading.  You leave your old tables in place and 
>> MySQL provides upgrade scripts that implement changes between server 
>> versions.
>
> So you are saying I could drop in the old system tables as well and run 
> the update application?

Huh?


> I read several tutorials and they all stated  
> explicitly that one should not do that, but only apply that update 
> mechanism to the own tables.

Huh?

--Dan

-- 
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            data intensive web and database programming
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From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Feb 16 10:53:58 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:53:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <20090216150417.GC16877@panix.com>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net>
	<20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>	<49997E9B.3030807@gmx.net>
	<20090216150417.GC16877@panix.com>
Message-ID: <49998C16.9080808@gmx.net>

Daniel Convissor wrote:
> Hi David:
> 
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 09:56:27AM -0500, David Krings wrote:
>> Daniel Convissor wrote:
>>> Uh, "have" is the wrong word there. :)  You don't need to drop a 
>>> database before upgrading.  You leave your old tables in place and 
>>> MySQL provides upgrade scripts that implement changes between server 
>>> versions.
>> So you are saying I could drop in the old system tables as well and run 
>> the update application?
> 
> Huh?

Uhm, MySQL stores thing like user accounts and privileges in schemas (what 
some also call databases or just tables or data sets). When you do a brand new 
install of MySQL those system tables contain for example the user account 
"root" with no password and privileges for everything. A better approach is to 
obviously first set a root password, and create new user accounts with 
restricted priveleges for use for example by PHP apps.
 From what I read these system tables changed from the old to the new version. 
Also, changes are necessary for any other tables (the ones created by users). 
What I did is a brand new install (I did backup the old, working installation 
first), dropped my custom tables in and ran mysql-update, which updated my 
tables without problems.

So my question is can I do the same procedure for the system tables as well? 
Will mysql-update make it so that the system tables from my old install will 
work with the new version? I ask because....


> 
> 
>> I read several tutorials and they all stated  
>> explicitly that one should not do that, but only apply that update 
>> mechanism to the own tables.
> 
> Huh?


... some tutorials I read about upgrading explicitly state to not keep the 
system tables, but only drop-in the custom tables and run mysql-update. My 
conclusion from that was that mysql-update will not update system tables or it 
is not recommended to do so. I did  find that to be weird even when I 
installed the new version, because many others most likely deal with more than 
just half a dozen user accounts as it is the case for my install. Since it is 
not much work, but some annoyance to recreate the user accounts and set the 
privileges I didn't bother with digging for more info as I am done doing it 
the manual route by the time I might find something.

Your comments make me believe that this whole "don't upgrade system tables" 
stuff is plain bologna and that there is no difference between custom tables 
and system tables and that they all can be updated using the mysql-update tool.


I hope that this is now less huh. ;)

David


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb 16 12:10:44 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:10:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Recycling of ini files
In-Reply-To: <49998C16.9080808@gmx.net>
References: <49981845.8090301@gmx.net> <20090216141447.GA15425@panix.com>
	<49997E9B.3030807@gmx.net> <20090216150417.GC16877@panix.com>
	<49998C16.9080808@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090216171043.GA12679@panix.com>

Hi David:

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:53:58AM -0500, David Krings wrote:
> Daniel Convissor wrote:
>> Hi David:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 09:56:27AM -0500, David Krings wrote:
>>> Daniel Convissor wrote:
>>>> Uh, "have" is the wrong word there. :)  You don't need to drop a  
>>>> database before upgrading.  You leave your old tables in place and  
>>>> MySQL provides upgrade scripts that implement changes between 
>>>> server versions.
>>>
>>> So you are saying I could drop in the old system tables as well and 
>>> run the update application?
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Uhm, MySQL stores thing like user accounts and privileges in schemas...

Looking back at the exchange again I think I misunderstood your reply and 
you may have misunderstood what I was going for.

When I said "leave your old tables in place" I meant you should leave 
them there.  You don't need to move them.  When you install/upgrade 
MySQL, I assume it doesn't overwrite your existing tables.  My assumption 
may be influenced by the fact that I put the data directory in a 
particular location that is not where MySQL puts it by default.

When you said "drop in the old system tables" I missed the "in" so read 
it as "drop the old system tables."  Sorry.


> From what I read these system tables changed from the old to the new 
> version. 

Yes, there have been many changes over the years.  In the directory you 
install MySQL to there's a sub-directory called "scripts."  In there is a 
script called "mysql_fix_privilege_tables."  That script runs various 
ALTER/CREATE TABLE statements that bring you up to date.


> Also, changes are necessary for any other tables (the ones 
> created by users).

The data tables (almost) never need changing.  The only case that's 
needed changing was when ISAM format was dropped in favor of MyISAM.  For 
that, there's the "mysql_convert_table_format" script.

--Dan

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From anthony at thrillist.com  Mon Feb 16 12:27:30 2009
From: anthony at thrillist.com (Anthony Wlodarski)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:27:30 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] When does an application become to large for just a
 single page.
Message-ID: <C5BF0C32.3885%anthony@thrillist.com>

When building a web application that is usually a single page load, what are the criteria that you may use to decide that this feature should be a separate application or this feature be part of another tool?  I always found it interesting how many features are expected to be packed into a form on a web page.

-Anthony
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From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 12:35:18 2009
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:35:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] When does an application become to large for just
	a single page.
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Anthony Wlodarski
<anthony at thrillist.com>wrote:

>  When building a web application that is usually a single page load, what
> are the criteria that you may use to decide that this feature should be a
> separate application or this feature be part of another tool?
>

Uh depends. Generally speaking each php script deals with one function. It
might "add, edit or view" the same data via something like smarty templates.

A page may of course have small utility forms like login and search, but I
dont thik you refer to these.

Some functions like profile display and editing might show a lot of
information. You might want to break that down unto multiple screens. How
big is too big in that case? When it seems like too much to type.

Hope that helps,

Justin
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From compustretch at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 17:35:20 2009
From: compustretch at gmail.com (Compustretch)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:35:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902142154260.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
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I would be remiss if I did not mention Drupal for multiple blogs. It rocks
"out of the box" and is set up for multiple blogs/installs I should also
mention Joomla! for single blogs, it's far more advanced than b2evolution
(actually it has a b2evolution plugin) and it skins faster than a cat.
(Faster than Drupal, some would say) and hosts a bevy of extensions. And in
truth you can set it up for multiple blogs as easily as Drupal, although
they use completely different approaches.

-Forest Mars
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On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>
> I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
> application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
> plenty of CSS interface customization.
>
> For multiple blogs look at b2evolution.
>
> For something super simple, look at textpattern.
>
> Wordpress is not the only game in town.
>
>
> --
> Aj.
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From nhart at partsauthority.com  Mon Feb 16 17:41:10 2009
From: nhart at partsauthority.com (Nicholas Hart)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:41:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] talk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1234630801.17439.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
References: <mailman.1.1234630801.17439.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3719ecad0902161441q6aac0895n83df47578c620d3f@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks for the considerable response!  I have changed the code to
reduce a large number of SELECTs by saving a query to an array.  My problem
now is that although this array is appox. 3,000 records, I need a way to
pass this to a function.  Note: the array contains all discount data while
the function pulls out several sub-queries per user and product codes.
Since there are 5 sub queries, it is probably easier to pass the main one.

Any idea how to pass this array, a pointer to it or make this a global
array?  Making a global array appears to be depricated or discouraged.  I
have tried passing this array which is called $discount but it doesn't
appear to be working when I do.  I also run out of memory which at 128MB is
kind of odd.

Any help is much appreciated..

Best,
Nick





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> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php
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> > I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It
> > uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops
> > in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field table
> > and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field
> > table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4 Customers or
> > apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes several hours+ to
> > complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up.
> >
> > So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and changing a
> > few functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
> > unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering using a
> > Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language such as
> > python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.
>
> Why would this be considered a result of PHP being slow?  You're doing many
> millions of database queries (both INSERT and SELECT from what you
> describe), which is the real culprit.
>
> Some things to consider:
>
> -- minimize lookup queries by caching, or loading your lookup tables into
> PHP arrays, thus avoiding database queries
>
> -- make sure that any lookup queries you do perform are against a well
> indexed table - similarly, consider key buffer sizes, buffer pool sizes,
> and
> all that good stuff
>
> -- attempt to batch inserts (see http://dev.mysql.com/insert for various
> techniques)
>
> -- look at dev.mysql.com and google for mysql bulk insert and mysql bulk
> insert configuration - there are a lot of tunables pertaining to these
> types
> of operations, including temp. turning off indexes, etc.
>
> The only PHP specific item I'd consider at this point is to explicitly free
> memory and resources to keep the memory footprint as small as possible.
> PHP's garbage collection cannot always be, well, perfect, for long running
> processes.
>
> H
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:16:50 -0500
> From: Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Nicholas Hart wrote:
> > I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It
> > uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested loops
> > in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field
> > table and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4
> > field table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4
> > Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes several
> > hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up.
> >
>
> If you can get away with it, you might try dumping the data to a csv
> file and using a "load data infile" within mysql to import the whole
> batch of data at once. Another thing that might be slowing down your
> inserts are mysql indexes. If you can disable your indexes, import the
> data, then re-index afterwards, that should speed up the import.
>
> ~Rolan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:28:37 -0500
> From: csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> > This ain't PHP,and Python won't help.  Inserting 2.4 million rows into a
> > database will take hours if you go line by line.  You are paying a big
> > overhead of a round trip to the server for each row.
> >
> > The best way to speed it up is to use what they call "bulk copy" on MS
> SQL
> > Server and "copy" on PostgreSQL.  I'd have to assume mySQL has something
> by
> > the same name.
> >
> > Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line, in which
> case
> > you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o
> requiring
> > you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.
> >
>
> To the best of my knowledge, you can't send more than one statement at
> a time through the php interface, unless there's something in the
> mysqli extension that allows it.
>
> Perhaps you could generate the SQL insert statements and append them
> to a file as you go. When all the loops are done, pipe the file into
> MySQL using the command line interface:
>
> mysql -u username -ppassword databasename < file.sql
>
> If some inserts depend on previous inserts (for related row ids or
> something) it might take a little more logic to work that all out, but
> it should still be possible.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:36:32 -0500
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <lists at zaunere.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <020d01c98e23$232ea9b0$698bfd10$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> > > Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line, in which
> case
> > > you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o
> requiring
> > > you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, you can't send more than one statement at
> > a time through the php interface, unless there's something in the
> > mysqli extension that allows it.
>
> There is http://us2.php.net/manual/en/mysqli.multi-query.php
>
>
> ...but this is really about this...
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert.html
>
> "INSERT statements that use VALUES syntax can insert multiple rows..."
>
> H
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:43:44 -0500
> From: Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <4995E990.6010504 at devonianfarm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> The fastest way to get data into mysql is like this:
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/load-data.html
>
> I needed to load 2.5M RDF triples into mysql to look up some
> identifiers.  My RDF store balked at the turtle file,  so I hacked away
> the header and treated it like a space-separated file.  LOAD DATA INFILE
> was scary fast...  It loaded the data in 3 seconds!
>
> Once you've loaded raw data into mysql you can do all kinds of tricks like
>
> INSERT INTO ... SELECT
>
> to process the information into the desired form.  If you can do this
> processing w/ clever mysql coding,  you can probably do it in 1/10 the
> LOC and more than 10 times the speed that it would take you in a
> procedural language.  The main thing is that you'll need to be
> comfortable with joins,  subselects and writing extreme queries.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:11:33 -0500
> From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <20090213221133.GA22107 at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Nicholas:
>
> Here are two additional options to consider, both revolving around the
> concept of getting the database to do the work.
>
> First, many people write scripts to read, modify and then write the data
> back to the database because they are unfamilliar with the INSERT SELECT
> and UPDATE SELECT syntaxes.  These syntaxes are very powerful.
>
> Second, if you have very complex, interdependent operations to do that
> can't be done via queries, turn it into a stored procedure inside MySQL.
>
> Oh, and a third possiblity is to combine the two.  Write some functions
> that you can then use in the queries.
>
> All that aside, you could be having issues with transaction buffers
> getting huge or slow query logging bogging things down.  Are you using
> transactions at all?
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>            data intensive web and database programming
>                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:37:48 -0500
> From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Party Like It's 1234567890
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> It's a little late, but if anyone is interested in dropping by our
> office to christen our new kegerator and celebrate Unix time
> 1234567890, let me know. Address and map here:
>
> http://omniti.com/is/here
>
> The New York office, of course. :-)
>
> Chris
>
>
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From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:05:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
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	<3719ecad0902161441q6aac0895n83df47578c620d3f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Feb 16, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Nicholas Hart wrote:

> Many thanks for the considerable response!  I have changed the code  
> to reduce a large number of SELECTs by saving a query to an array.   
> My problem now is that although this array is appox. 3,000 records,  
> I need a way to pass this to a function.  Note: the array contains  
> all discount data while the function pulls out several sub-queries  
> per user and product codes.  Since there are 5 sub queries, it is  
> probably easier to pass the main one.


> Any idea how to pass this array, a pointer to it or make this a  
> global array?

I'm not 100% sure (but someone will correct me if I'm wrong), PHP  
should be pretty smart about this.  If you're just calling a function  
with a big array as a param, PHP will pass in a reference (a  
pointer).  Now, if you actually change data in the array inside your  
function, PHP will then (probably?) clone it.

Too busy today to find out for sure.  You can always force the  
reference by defining your function like: function myFunc(&$my_array)  
{...}

That should ensure that the array is passed by reference.

Think carefully about how that array is structured, and how much you  
loop on it.  It may be that you can speed things up a lot by  
preprocessing the discount data in such a way that you can avoid  
scanning through it all every time.

>   Making a global array appears to be depricated or discouraged.  I  
> have tried passing this array which is called $discount but it  
> doesn't appear to be working when I do.  I also run out of memory  
> which at 128MB is kind of odd.

Leaning on globals is usually somewhat frowned upon, but if this is a  
little self-contained process, there's nothing wrong with storing it  
globally and then referencing the global inside your function.

As for memory limit issues -- you're probably not cleaning up after  
yourself.  Try to unset or otherwise destroy stuff at the end of each  
loop iteration.

>
>
> Any help is much appreciated..
>
> Best,
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
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>   1. Re: slow php (Hans Zaunere)
>   2. Re: slow php (Rolan Yang)
>   3. Re: slow php (slow database) (csnyder)
>   4. Re: slow php (slow database) (Hans Zaunere)
>   5. Re: slow php (slow database) (Paul A Houle)
>   6. Re: slow php (Daniel Convissor)
>   7. Party Like It's 1234567890 (Chris Shiflett)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:46:10 -0500
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <lists at zaunere.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <01ed01c98e1c$1a14a980$4e3dfc80$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> > I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It
> > uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested  
> loops
> > in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field  
> table
> > and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4 field
> > table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4  
> Customers or
> > apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes several hours+ to
> > complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up.
> >
> > So far, I've tried updating instead of inserting records and  
> changing a
> > few functions but nothing seems to make much difference.  Am I being
> > unreasonable for the size of the files here?  I'm considering  
> using a
> > Derived Table in mySQL and will also consider another language  
> such as
> > python.  Please let me know if you have any suggestions.  Thanks.
>
> Why would this be considered a result of PHP being slow?  You're  
> doing many
> millions of database queries (both INSERT and SELECT from what you
> describe), which is the real culprit.
>
> Some things to consider:
>
> -- minimize lookup queries by caching, or loading your lookup tables  
> into
> PHP arrays, thus avoiding database queries
>
> -- make sure that any lookup queries you do perform are against a well
> indexed table - similarly, consider key buffer sizes, buffer pool  
> sizes, and
> all that good stuff
>
> -- attempt to batch inserts (see http://dev.mysql.com/insert for  
> various
> techniques)
>
> -- look at dev.mysql.com and google for mysql bulk insert and mysql  
> bulk
> insert configuration - there are a lot of tunables pertaining to  
> these types
> of operations, including temp. turning off indexes, etc.
>
> The only PHP specific item I'd consider at this point is to  
> explicitly free
> memory and resources to keep the memory footprint as small as  
> possible.
> PHP's garbage collection cannot always be, well, perfect, for long  
> running
> processes.
>
> H
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:16:50 -0500
> From: Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <4995E342.2040208 at omnistep.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Nicholas Hart wrote:
> > I have a php 'cron job' script which is inserting some records.  It
> > uses arrays to store 12 field records along with several nested  
> loops
> > in which it tests various currency values from a separate 4 field
> > table and sorts them to get the lowest one for insert into a new 4
> > field table record.  It has about 640,000 Product records per 4
> > Customers or apporx. 2.4 million records to insert.  It takes  
> several
> > hours+ to complete and I am hoping there is a way to speed it up.
> >
>
> If you can get away with it, you might try dumping the data to a csv
> file and using a "load data infile" within mysql to import the whole
> batch of data at once. Another thing that might be slowing down your
> inserts are mysql indexes. If you can disable your indexes, import the
> data, then re-index afterwards, that should speed up the import.
>
> ~Rolan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:28:37 -0500
> From: csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <b76252690902131328m2070741l92220afb54e03f82 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> > This ain't PHP,and Python won't help.  Inserting 2.4 million rows  
> into a
> > database will take hours if you go line by line.  You are paying a  
> big
> > overhead of a round trip to the server for each row.
> >
> > The best way to speed it up is to use what they call "bulk copy"  
> on MS SQL
> > Server and "copy" on PostgreSQL.  I'd have to assume mySQL has  
> something by
> > the same name.
> >
> > Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line, in  
> which case
> > you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o  
> requiring
> > you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.
> >
>
> To the best of my knowledge, you can't send more than one statement at
> a time through the php interface, unless there's something in the
> mysqli extension that allows it.
>
> Perhaps you could generate the SQL insert statements and append them
> to a file as you go. When all the loops are done, pipe the file into
> MySQL using the command line interface:
>
> mysql -u username -ppassword databasename < file.sql
>
> If some inserts depend on previous inserts (for related row ids or
> something) it might take a little more logic to work that all out, but
> it should still be possible.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:36:32 -0500
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <lists at zaunere.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <020d01c98e23$232ea9b0$698bfd10$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> > > Also, it may be that mySQL supports multiple inserts per line,  
> in which
> case
> > > you can do 10 inserts per round trip.  This will speed it up w/o
> requiring
> > > you to do to a different command for the bulk copy.
> >
> > To the best of my knowledge, you can't send more than one  
> statement at
> > a time through the php interface, unless there's something in the
> > mysqli extension that allows it.
>
> There is http://us2.php.net/manual/en/mysqli.multi-query.php
>
>
> ...but this is really about this...
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/insert.html
>
> "INSERT statements that use VALUES syntax can insert multiple rows..."
>
> H
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:43:44 -0500
> From: Paul A Houle <paul at devonianfarm.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php (slow database)
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <4995E990.6010504 at devonianfarm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> The fastest way to get data into mysql is like this:
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/load-data.html
>
> I needed to load 2.5M RDF triples into mysql to look up some
> identifiers.  My RDF store balked at the turtle file,  so I hacked  
> away
> the header and treated it like a space-separated file.  LOAD DATA  
> INFILE
> was scary fast...  It loaded the data in 3 seconds!
>
> Once you've loaded raw data into mysql you can do all kinds of  
> tricks like
>
> INSERT INTO ... SELECT
>
> to process the information into the desired form.  If you can do this
> processing w/ clever mysql coding,  you can probably do it in 1/10 the
> LOC and more than 10 times the speed that it would take you in a
> procedural language.  The main thing is that you'll need to be
> comfortable with joins,  subselects and writing extreme queries.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:11:33 -0500
> From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] slow php
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <20090213221133.GA22107 at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Nicholas:
>
> Here are two additional options to consider, both revolving around the
> concept of getting the database to do the work.
>
> First, many people write scripts to read, modify and then write the  
> data
> back to the database because they are unfamilliar with the INSERT  
> SELECT
> and UPDATE SELECT syntaxes.  These syntaxes are very powerful.
>
> Second, if you have very complex, interdependent operations to do that
> can't be done via queries, turn it into a stored procedure inside  
> MySQL.
>
> Oh, and a third possiblity is to combine the two.  Write some  
> functions
> that you can then use in the queries.
>
> All that aside, you could be having issues with transaction buffers
> getting huge or slow query logging bogging things down.  Are you using
> transactions at all?
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>            data intensive web and database programming
>                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:37:48 -0500
> From: Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net>
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Party Like It's 1234567890
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <41BDD58C-89D0-43C5-9E4A-83AC88A21379 at php.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> It's a little late, but if anyone is interested in dropping by our
> office to christen our new kegerator and celebrate Unix time
> 1234567890, let me know. Address and map here:
>
> http://omniti.com/is/here
>
> The New York office, of course. :-)
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From ramons at gmx.net  Mon Feb 16 19:44:32 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:44:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <3719ecad0902161441q6aac0895n83df47578c620d3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1234630801.17439.talk@lists.nyphp.org>
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Message-ID: <499A0870.3020701@gmx.net>

Nicholas Hart wrote:
> Many thanks for the considerable response!  I have changed the code to 
> reduce a large number of SELECTs by saving a query to an array.  My 
> problem now is that although this array is appox. 3,000 records, I need 
> a way to pass this to a function.  Note: the array contains all discount 
> data while the function pulls out several sub-queries per user and 
> product codes.  Since there are 5 sub queries, it is probably easier to 
> pass the main one. 
> 
> Any idea how to pass this array, a pointer to it or make this a global 
> array?  Making a global array appears to be depricated or discouraged.  
> I have tried passing this array which is called $discount but it doesn't 
> appear to be working when I do.  I also run out of memory which at 128MB 
> is kind of odd. 
> 
> Any help is much appreciated..


One note, please add at least the subject of the thread in when replying to a 
section of a digest email and puleaze trim messages. 90% of your email had 
nothing to do with what you were asking. I won't even get into the top posting 
issue....


Now, by default PHP passes function arguments by value. That means it makes a 
copy of what you specified as argument and works with that copy. That means if 
you pass an array and change an element from within the function the array is 
changed only within the scope of the function. In order to have the original 
be changed as well you can either return the changed array and then assign it 
to the original. The more convenient way is to pass the array by reference, 
because then the function will not make a copy and apply changes to the original.

You find it nicely explained with examples in the PHP manual, especially this 
portion:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/functions.arguments.php

I must say that the PHO manual is one of the best manuals ever written and the 
web version is even better with all the comments added...although with those 
it happens that some are plain wrong and others are just so old that they no 
longer apply.

Way back when PHP made everything global, which was easier to some extent, but 
really made for sloppy and often incompatible programming. Also, the "&" is 
easily overlooked, so I recommend to mention in the function desciption 
commentary that this array is passed in by reference and what will happen to 
the array passed when using this function.


Crafting very wordy responses is also frowned upon, I take the blame for that one.

David


From smanes at magpie.com  Mon Feb 16 21:54:40 2009
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:54:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com>
Message-ID: <499A26F0.8020303@magpie.com>

Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
> application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
> plenty of CSS interface customization.
>    
> I'd really appreciate hearing the ones you suggest. 

My preference is Drupal.  Not only can you run multiple blogs on a site, 
you can run multiple sites within the same software (albeit with 
different databases).  These are three sites running on one Drupal6 
instance:

www.brooklynrowhouse.com
www.homeownerslike.us
www.100senatorstreet.com


From lists at zaunere.com  Mon Feb 16 22:37:30 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:37:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] slow php
In-Reply-To: <499A0870.3020701@gmx.net>
References: <mailman.1.1234630801.17439.talk@lists.nyphp.org>	<3719ecad0902161441q6aac0895n83df47578c620d3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<499A0870.3020701@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <006801c990b1$102c9c60$3085d520$@com>

> One note, please add at least the subject of the thread in when replying
to a
> section of a digest email and puleaze trim messages. 90% of your email had
> nothing to do with what you were asking. I won't even get into the top
posting
> issue....

Thanks David, this is something I've been meaning to mention.

For those on digest, or just in general, please trim your posts correctly
and if needed, set the subject line correctly.  Where possible, please avoid
HTML email as well.

> Now, by default PHP passes function arguments by value. That means it
makes a
> copy of what you specified as argument and works with that copy. That
means if
> you pass an array and change an element from within the function the array
is
> changed only within the scope of the function. In order to have the
original
> be changed as well you can either return the changed array and then assign
it
> to the original. The more convenient way is to pass the array by
reference,
> because then the function will not make a copy and apply changes to the
> original.

Just to reiterate some things already mentioned...

If you don't pass by reference (not using the & in the function prototype)
the original value will not be changed.  However, if the function doesn't
change the passed-in variable in any way, PHP shouldn't copy the data it
contains, and thus you won't be using extra memory.

If you do change the variable within the function, PHP institutes
copy-on-write, and thus it'll copy the contents of the variable before
making the modification, and you'll use extra memory.  The original value
will be unchanged.

If you use the ampersand (&) in the function prototype, then you're passing
a reference that refers to the original value.  This means that if the
function modifies the value, the original value that's passed into the
function is also modified.  This doesn't involve a copy of the original
value.

It should be noted that passing by reference (using the ampersand) is
slightly more expensive than passing variables directly - assuming you don't
change the variable in a different scope.  Thus, if you know it won't be
change within the function, you shouldn't use the ampersand in the
function's definition.

This does not apply to objects, which are always passed by reference.  That
is, an object passed into a function, and then modified within the function,
will always modify the original object (you need to clone it otherwise).

Please note that this all applies to PHP 5 only.  PHP 4 is anyone's guess
(and hopefully a long forgotten guess :)  And frankly, this is all
last-understood stuff - any updates to current behavior, or better yet PHP 6
expected behavior, would be welcomed.  Perhaps it's time for another
presentation on this topic?

H




From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 08:20:20 2009
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:20:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Blogs, Multiple Blogs
In-Reply-To: <499A26F0.8020303@magpie.com>
References: <000001c98f0f$0991c7c0$1cb55740$@com> <499A26F0.8020303@magpie.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60902170520g443b683dm9e12bfa00ad6ba87@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget the new kid on the block, Habari:

    http://habariproject.org/

Dead simple to use, supports multisites as well.

-- Mitch

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com> wrote:
> Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for the names of some great PHP/MySQL blogging
>> application(s) that allow multiple blogs and allow the developer to have
>> plenty of CSS interface customization.
>>   I'd really appreciate hearing the ones you suggest.
>
> My preference is Drupal.  Not only can you run multiple blogs on a site, you
> can run multiple sites within the same software (albeit with different
> databases).  These are three sites running on one Drupal6 instance:
>
> www.brooklynrowhouse.com
> www.homeownerslike.us
> www.100senatorstreet.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From lorband at optonline.net  Tue Feb 17 10:05:51 2009
From: lorband at optonline.net (lorband at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:05:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
	occurs?
Message-ID: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>

 I am using AJAX to submit a PHP request. If a PHP Fatal error occurs when running the php program, the http response code is 200 and it appears the program ran successfully. Is there a way for php to return a 500 http response code when a fatal error occurs so myjava_script that is processing the response can alert the user that an error has occurred? Try/catch won't capture fatal errors for me to set the header. 
Thank you,
Lori
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From dan.horning at planetnoc.com  Tue Feb 17 10:09:25 2009
From: dan.horning at planetnoc.com (Daniel Horning)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:09:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal
	error	occurs?
In-Reply-To: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <001201c99111$b91718e0$2b454aa0$@horning@planetnoc.com>

Wouldn't you just need to do this at the apache level?

 

Something as simple as an "ErrorDocument 200 /path/to/other.notify.script"
in htaccess or in apache conf should allow you to reach this goal

 

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From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of lorband at optonline.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:06 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
occurs?

 

 I am using AJAX to submit a PHP request. If a PHP Fatal error occurs when
running the php program, the http response code is 200 and it appears the
program ran successfully. Is there a way for php to return a 500 http
response code when a fatal error occurs so myjava_script that is processing
the response can alert the user that an error has occurred? Try/catch won't
capture fatal errors for me to set the header. 

Thank you,

Lori

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From brian at realm3.com  Tue Feb 17 10:30:52 2009
From: brian at realm3.com (Brian Dailey)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
 occurs?
In-Reply-To: <001201c99111$b91718e0$2b454aa0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<001201c99111$b91718e0$2b454aa0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
Message-ID: <499AD82C.6070100@realm3.com>

Also check out set_error_handler. There are even some notes on the page 
on handling fatal errors.

http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.set-error-handler.php#88401

The apache method is probably better, if you have the ability to change 
conf files.

-b.

Daniel Horning wrote:
> Wouldn?t you just need to do this at the apache level?
> 
>  
> 
> Something as simple as an ?ErrorDocument 200 
> /path/to/other.notify.script? in htaccess or in apache conf should allow 
> you to reach this goal
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> *Dan Horning*
> 
>  
> 
> *American Digital Services* - /Where you are only limited by imagination/.
> 
> _dan.horning at planetnoc.com_ :: _http://www.americandigitalservices.com_
> 
> 1-518-444-0213 x502 . /toll free/ 1-800-863-3854 . /fax/ 1-888-474-6133
> 
> /15 Third Street, PO Box 746, Troy, NY 12180 (by appointment only)/
> 
>  
> 
> *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] *On Behalf Of *lorband at optonline.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:06 AM
> *To:* talk at lists.nyphp.org
> *Subject:* [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error 
> occurs?
> 
>  
> 
>  I am using AJAX to submit a PHP request. If a PHP Fatal error occurs 
> when running the php program, the http response code is 200 and it 
> appears the program ran successfully. Is there a way for php to return a 
> 500 http response code when a fatal error occurs so myjava_script that 
> is processing the response can alert the user that an error has 
> occurred? Try/catch won't capture fatal errors for me to set the header.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Lori
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From jellicle at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 10:52:20 2009
From: jellicle at gmail.com (Michael Sims)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
	occurs?
In-Reply-To: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 17 February 2009, lorband at optonline.net wrote:
>  I am using AJAX to submit a PHP request. If a PHP Fatal error occurs
> when running the php program, the http response code is 200 and it
> appears the program ran successfully. Is there a way for php to return a
> 500 http response code when a fatal error occurs so myjava_script that is
> processing the response can alert the user that an error has occurred?
> Try/catch won't capture fatal errors for me to set the header. Thank you,
> Lori

Your Javascript code should look like this:

a) did I get the right data back from the server?  If so, report success.
b) Otherwise, report failure to the user.

It doesn't matter what went wrong on the server side, if you're just 
reporting to the user.  MAke your PHP script return something (the word 
"good" for example), have your javascript look for that word, if it didn't 
get that word, report to the user "Something seems to be wrong".

Behind the scenes it might matter to you what went wrong with the PHP 
script, but it doesn't matter to the user at all.  You shouldn't be testing 
the http status code as a way to figure out if things were successful - test 
some data output by the PHP script, where that data is only sent if 
everything went correctly.

Michael Sims

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From lorband at optonline.net  Tue Feb 17 11:51:04 2009
From: lorband at optonline.net (lorband at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:51:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
 occurs?
In-Reply-To: <200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f836abc8a0d4.499aeaf8@optonline.net>

Your reply is perfectly logical but I am trying not to redesign alot of code. The PHP code is currently designed to return  a string or nothing depending on the action taken. If a fatal error occurs, nothing is returned which unfortunately is also a valid response. 
P.S. set_error_handler will not handle fatal errors (E_ERROR). 
   
 "The following error types cannot be handled with a user defined function: E_ERROR, E_PARSE, E_CORE_ERROR, E_CORE_WARNING, E_COMPILE_ERROR, E_COMPILE_WARNING, and most of E_STRICT raised in the file where set_error_handler() is called." 
Thank everyone for the help,
Lori

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Sims 
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error occurs?
To: NYPHP Talk 

> On Tuesday 17 February 2009, lorband at optonline.net wrote:
> > I am using AJAX to submit a PHP request. If a PHP Fatal error 
> occurs> when running the php program, the http response code is 
> 200 and it
> > appears the program ran successfully. Is there a way for php 
> to return a
> > 500 http response code when a fatal error occurs so 
> myjava_script that is
> > processing the response can alert the user that an error has 
> occurred?> Try/catch won't capture fatal errors for me to set 
> the header. Thank you,
> > Lori
> 
> Your Javascript code should look like this:
> 
> a) did I get the right data back from the server? If so, report 
> success.b) Otherwise, report failure to the user.
> 
> It doesn't matter what went wrong on the server side, if you're 
> just 
> reporting to the user. MAke your PHP script return something 
> (the word 
> "good" for example), have your javascript look for that word, if 
> it didn't 
> get that word, report to the user "Something seems to be wrong".
> 
> Behind the scenes it might matter to you what went wrong with 
> the PHP 
> script, but it doesn't matter to the user at all. You shouldn't 
> be testing 
> the http status code as a way to figure out if things were 
> successful - test 
> some data output by the PHP script, where that data is only sent 
> if 
> everything went correctly.
> 
> Michael Sims
> 
> 
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From ramons at gmx.net  Tue Feb 17 11:55:57 2009
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:55:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
 occurs?
In-Reply-To: <200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499AEC1D.3080900@gmx.net>

Michael Sims wrote:
> Your Javascript code should look like this:
> 
> a) did I get the right data back from the server? If so, report success.
> 
> b) Otherwise, report failure to the user.
> 
> It doesn't matter what went wrong on the server side, if you're just 
> reporting to the user. MAke your PHP script return something (the word 
> "good" for example), have your javascript look for that word, if it 
> didn't get that word, report to the user "Something seems to be wrong".
> 
> Behind the scenes it might matter to you what went wrong with the PHP 
> script, but it doesn't matter to the user at all. You shouldn't be 
> testing the http status code as a way to figure out if things were 
> successful - test some data output by the PHP script, where that data is 
> only sent if everything went correctly.


Working now in QA and having had years of experience with support you do want 
to report exactly what went wrong and what the user can do about it (if 
possible).  Implementing useless error messages is just bad advice and makes 
for bad software. Make your PHP script determine what went wrong and show a 
useful error message. At a minimum an error message must include:
- type of error
- reason for error
- what was received (if applicable)
- what was expected (if applicable)
- measures to prevent or workaround error or instructions to obtain additional 
help (such as "Read the applicable error description in the help here: <link 
to help topic>" or "Contact support at blahblah at blah.blah"). Ideally, provide 
a solution right then and there.

Optionally report this:
- the name of the module / script in which the error occured
- additional information such as server and PHP version or custom error codes

Error messages must fulfill three tasks:
- appear when otherwise the application would not continue to work correctly 
or data loss can occur (for example, showing an error message is better than 
just blue screen)
- provide information about what went wrong, why it went wrong, and what one 
can do about it
- provide information that really helps the developer to fix the bug (if there 
is one)

Messages like "Something seems to be wrong" are as useful as any other random 
array of words. The user already noticed that something went wrong as the 
outcome is not the one expected.

I know that proper error handling and reporting is a thankless, tedious task 
that adds zero functionality to an application. It is boring work and every 
developer hates it. It is also never complete. But it for sure helps everyone 
who makes or uses the application. Not implementing proper error handling and 
reporting is not an option.

David


From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Feb 17 12:31:52 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:31:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>


Any NYPHP list members going to Times Open this Friday? Im going and it 
might be good to meet the faces behind the names :-)


-- 
Aj.



From shiflett at php.net  Tue Feb 17 12:41:17 2009
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:41:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <81C6319F-3E13-4B7D-BBBA-AEEC8FB564CE@php.net>

If we never received an email, should we assume we did not register in  
time? Seems like they could be bothered to email everyone one way or  
the other, since it's so unclear...

Chris

On Feb 17, 2009, at 12:31, Ajai Khattri wrote:

> Any NYPHP list members going to Times Open this Friday? Im going and  
> it
> might be good to meet the faces behind the names :-)

--
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 12:44:29 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:44:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690902170944y44c68ebey2854603b2629c9be@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
>
> Any NYPHP list members going to Times Open this Friday? Im going and it
> might be good to meet the faces behind the names :-)
>

I planning to go, at least for long enough to see what it's all about.


Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


From jellicle at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 12:46:44 2009
From: jellicle at gmail.com (Michael Sims)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:46:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
	occurs?
In-Reply-To: <499AEC1D.3080900@gmx.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com> <499AEC1D.3080900@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200902171246.44838.jellicle@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 17 February 2009, David Krings wrote:

> Working now in QA and having had years of experience with support you do
> want to report exactly what went wrong and what the user can do about it
> (if possible).  Implementing useless error messages is just bad advice
> and makes for bad software. Make your PHP script determine what went
> wrong and show a useful error message. At a minimum an error message must
> include: - type of error
> - reason for error
> - what was received (if applicable)
> - what was expected (if applicable)
> - measures to prevent or workaround error or instructions to obtain
> additional help (such as "Read the applicable error description in the
> help here: <link to help topic>" or "Contact support at
> blahblah at blah.blah"). Ideally, provide a solution right then and there.
>
> Optionally report this:
> - the name of the module / script in which the error occured
> - additional information such as server and PHP version or custom error
> codes

You should read my prior message again, as you haven't understood it.

The user can't work around a PHP fatal error in an Ajax call.  Knowing the 
module that broke is nothing but confusing for the user.  No major website 
implements the procedures you describe.

Here's Gmail's errors:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/static.py?page=error_msg.cs

Note that all of the serious errors - something actually broken - are things 
like "Oops" and "Temporary Error 502" and "We're experiencing technical 
difficulties that may prevent your chats from being sent".  There's 
absolutely nothing in there about a crash in module someRandomGmailModule on 
line 972.

If the error is truly due to something under the user's control ("cookies 
not enabled"), there's a good case for telling the user that.  But there's 
nothing the user can do with a PHP script that throws a fatal error.

The words "Something seems to be wrong" are my shorthand for a short error 
message to the user indicating a problem.  In general, it is totally useless 
and massively counterproductive and often presents security problems to give 
the user internal details of the error.  Probably the number 1 source of XSS 
vulnerabilities is echoing user-submitted data back in error pages.

Certainly the PHP script which blew a gasket ought to log something to the 
system log files, trying its best to tell the maintainers what went wrong 
and how.  But exposing those messages to the users is terrible practice.  
Nor is it even possible, since the Javascript call *by definition* won't get 
much useful from a PHP page where a fatal error occurred - whatever useful 
information there is must be logged by the PHP script itself.


Michael Sims

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From brian at realm3.com  Tue Feb 17 12:50:32 2009
From: brian at realm3.com (Brian Dailey)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:50:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <81C6319F-3E13-4B7D-BBBA-AEEC8FB564CE@php.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
	<81C6319F-3E13-4B7D-BBBA-AEEC8FB564CE@php.net>
Message-ID: <499AF8E8.8040209@realm3.com>

I got the email that says it was booked up on January 30.

"Unfortunately, because of space limitations, we cannot extend a 
registration confirmation at this time. You have automatically been 
moved to the wait list and if a seat becomes available, we'll let you know."

- Brian

Chris Shiflett wrote:
> If we never received an email, should we assume we did not register in 
> time? Seems like they could be bothered to email everyone one way or the 
> other, since it's so unclear...
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 12:31, Ajai Khattri wrote:
> 
>> Any NYPHP list members going to Times Open this Friday? Im going and it
>> might be good to meet the faces behind the names :-)
> 
> -- 
> Chris Shiflett
> http://shiflett.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
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From jellicle at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 12:54:53 2009
From: jellicle at gmail.com (Michael Sims)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:54:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal error
	occurs?
In-Reply-To: <f836abc8a0d4.499aeaf8@optonline.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
	<f836abc8a0d4.499aeaf8@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <200902171254.54062.jellicle@gmail.com>

On Tuesday 17 February 2009, lorband at optonline.net wrote:

> Your reply is perfectly logical but I am trying not to redesign alot of
> code. The PHP code is currently designed to return  a string or nothing
> depending on the action taken. If a fatal error occurs, nothing is
> returned which unfortunately is also a valid response.

Exactly.  You've identified the problem precisely: your Javascript currently 
can't distinguish between success and failure.  I described how to do that: 
on success, send something specific (I used the word "good"), and have the 
Javascript look for it.  You don't have to echo it to the screen or 
anything, just look for it and be happy if it comes.  In ANY case when you 
don't get that specific response, some error has occurred and the Javascript 
should therefore be unhappy and tell the user that something is not right.

There's no other way to do it.  You can't have nothing be a valid response 
because as you've seen, it's possible to get nothing as an error response 
too.

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From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Feb 17 12:58:59 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:58:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <81C6319F-3E13-4B7D-BBBA-AEEC8FB564CE@php.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171258020.13096-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Chris Shiflett wrote:

> If we never received an email, should we assume we did not register in  
> time? Seems like they could be bothered to email everyone one way or  
> the other, since it's so unclear...

I registered back in Jan and got a confirmation for that. Then another 
saying I had a seat reserved. Then another asking me to rsvp. Did you get 
those? The RSVP has to go to code at nytimes.com


-- 
Aj.



From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Feb 17 13:07:26 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:07:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <499AF8E8.8040209@realm3.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171304560.13096-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Brian Dailey wrote:

> I got the email that says it was booked up on January 30.
> 
> "Unfortunately, because of space limitations, we cannot extend a 
> registration confirmation at this time. You have automatically been 
> moved to the wait list and if a seat becomes available, we'll let you know."

I registered on 1/30 and my email said:

'Thank you for your interest in attending Times Open. We're pleased to 
inform you that a seat at the conference has been reserved in         
your name.

Because attendance is limited and there is a waiting list, please RSVP to 
code at nytimes.com before Feb. 6 to confirm your space.'


Ironically, I forgot to rsvp but they sent me a reminder last week which I 
completed.



-- 




From shiflett at php.net  Tue Feb 17 13:24:26 2009
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:24:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171304560.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171304560.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <C659E045-86BD-4F63-A743-D7F33A7AF943@php.net>

On Feb 17, 2009, at 13:07, Ajai Khattri wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Brian Dailey wrote:
>
>> I got the email that says it was booked up on January 30.
>>
>> "Unfortunately, because of space limitations, we cannot extend a
>> registration confirmation at this time. You have automatically been
>> moved to the wait list and if a seat becomes available, we'll let  
>> you know."
>
> I registered on 1/30 and my email said:
>
> 'Thank you for your interest in attending Times Open. We're pleased to
> inform you that a seat at the conference has been reserved in
> your name.
>
> Because attendance is limited and there is a waiting list, please  
> RSVP to
> code at nytimes.com before Feb. 6 to confirm your space.'
>
> Ironically, I forgot to rsvp but they sent me a reminder last week  
> which I
> completed.

Thanks. I'll send them an email and see what happens.

I definitely registered before January 30.

--
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/



From paul at devonianfarm.com  Tue Feb 17 13:57:48 2009
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul A Houle)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:57:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171230530.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <499B08AC.6070603@devonianfarm.com>

Ajai Khattri wrote:
> Any NYPHP list members going to Times Open this Friday? Im going and it 
> might be good to meet the faces behind the names :-)
>   
    I'll be there.


From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Feb 17 14:05:13 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:05:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Social Networks and the Technology They Love
Message-ID: <00ef01c99132$a98444e0$fc8ccea0$@com>

Hello,

An interesting report was created by pingdom.com about the uptime of the
major social networks.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/02/17/facebook-myspace-lead
-in-social-uptime/

The PDF is interesting, although they fail to include the technologies in
use.  So, with some snooping around and netcraft, I came up with the list
below.

In some cases, there's an apparent mix right off the bat.  There may be
other mixes of technology, but I didn't go much deeper than the homepage of
each site.

Those marked with ??? were hard to pin down exactly what they were using.
Any thoughts/feedback would be welcomed.

facebook.com		PHP/Apache
myspace.com			ASP/IIS
linkedin.com		Java/Sun-One	???
twitter.com			RoR/Apache
friendster.com		PHP/Apache
livejournal.com		???
orkut.com			ASP/Python/GFE
bebo.com			JSP/Resin
hi5.com			Apache/Java		???
live.com			ASP/IIS
last.fm:			Java/Apache		???
classmates.com:		JSP/Resin
reunion.com:		JSP/Apache		???
xanga.com:			ASP/IIS		???
imeem.com:			ASP/IIS		??? - netcraft says lighttpd


---
Hans Zaunere / Managing Member / New York PHP
      www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com







From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Feb 17 14:48:29 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:48:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Times Open
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171258020.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <81C6319F-3E13-4B7D-BBBA-AEEC8FB564CE@php.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902171258020.13096-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <20090217194829.GA18063@panix.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:58:59PM -0500, Ajai Khattri wrote:
>
> I registered back in Jan and got a confirmation for that. Then another 
> saying I had a seat reserved. Then another asking me to rsvp. Did you get 
> those? The RSVP has to go to code at nytimes.com

Seems the NY Times and/or their partner Cvent botched the User Experience 
design here.  The process has way too many steps and at least the initial 
email was confusing.

I initially registered, on January 19.  They sent an email saying the 
following:

   Please note, this is not a ticket to the event. We will let you know
   by January 30 that you are confirmed for the Times Open session.
   Thank you.
   ... snip ...
   To view your online registration reservation, click the link below. 
   You will be asked to enter the confirmation number shown above.
   ... snip link ...

I read that to mean I was on the list and would receive a confirmation.  
I didn't look at that link page and enter the registration code.  The 
other day, as others have mentioned, I got the email saying "because of 
space limitations, we cannot extend a registration confirmation."

Looking back on all this, considering what others have said, it seems 
that they expected us to follow up on that web page in order to receive a 
confirmation.

Lame.  Oh well,

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From nyphporg at dynamicink.com  Tue Feb 17 14:56:34 2009
From: nyphporg at dynamicink.com (NYPHP)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:56:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New York
	City)
Message-ID: <3973BDE5DA1D47439EB410F6B02989E4@e6300>

The IT Management Conference will bring together the most prestigious IT leaders for 3-jampacked-days where you will improve your IT management knowledge and skills, do lots of power-networking and have great fun while learning to be a better leader.
 
www.ManageIT.me
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From anthony at thrillist.com  Tue Feb 17 16:06:13 2009
From: anthony at thrillist.com (Anthony Wlodarski)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:06:13 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Social Networks and the Technology They Love
In-Reply-To: <00ef01c99132$a98444e0$fc8ccea0$@com>
Message-ID: <C5C090F5.3903%anthony@thrillist.com>

One look at the LiveJournal source code and I discovered all the *.php files they link to.  This would mean they do at least use PHP.  What platforms they use it on is still debatable.

-Anthony
--
Anthony Wlodarski
www.thrillist.com <http://www.thrillist.com>
Web Applications Developer
568 Broadway Ste. 605
New York, NY, 10012
(o) 646.786.1944


________________________________
From: Hans Zaunere <lists at zaunere.com>
Reply-To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:05:13 -0800
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Social Networks and the Technology They Love

Hello,

An interesting report was created by pingdom.com about the uptime of the
major social networks.

http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/02/17/facebook-myspace-lead
-in-social-uptime/

The PDF is interesting, although they fail to include the technologies in
use.  So, with some snooping around and netcraft, I came up with the list
below.

In some cases, there's an apparent mix right off the bat.  There may be
other mixes of technology, but I didn't go much deeper than the homepage of
each site.

Those marked with ??? were hard to pin down exactly what they were using.
Any thoughts/feedback would be welcomed.

facebook.com            PHP/Apache
myspace.com                     ASP/IIS
linkedin.com            Java/Sun-One    ???
twitter.com                     RoR/Apache
friendster.com          PHP/Apache
livejournal.com         ???
orkut.com                       ASP/Python/GFE
bebo.com                        JSP/Resin
hi5.com                 Apache/Java             ???
live.com                        ASP/IIS
last.fm:                        Java/Apache             ???
classmates.com:         JSP/Resin
reunion.com:            JSP/Apache              ???
xanga.com:                      ASP/IIS         ???
imeem.com:                      ASP/IIS         ??? - netcraft says lighttpd


---
Hans Zaunere / Managing Member / New York PHP
      www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com





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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Feb 17 16:09:00 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:09:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New
	York	City)
In-Reply-To: <3973BDE5DA1D47439EB410F6B02989E4@e6300>
References: <3973BDE5DA1D47439EB410F6B02989E4@e6300>
Message-ID: <015301c99143$f4b2e190$de18a4b0$@com>

These posts are not appropriate.

And your name is not NYPHP.

H


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-
> bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of NYPHP
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New
> York City)
> 
> The IT Management Conference will bring together the most prestigious
> IT leaders for 3-jampacked-days where you will improve your IT
> management knowledge and skills, do lots of power-networking and have
> great fun while learning to be a better leader.
> 
> www.ManageIT.me



From nyphporg at dynamicink.com  Tue Feb 17 16:19:50 2009
From: nyphporg at dynamicink.com (ITMC)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:19:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New
	York	City)
References: <3973BDE5DA1D47439EB410F6B02989E4@e6300>
	<015301c99143$f4b2e190$de18a4b0$@com>
Message-ID: <25BAC9139F5B4CA2BAD1896305253214@e6300>

Sorry about the name, I use a seperate email account for the NYPHP list and 
apparently typed the account name into the name field.

As for it not being appropriate for NYPHP, why not? There is a PHP-related 
topic in the call-for-papers and the conference is in NY.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <lists at zaunere.com>
To: "'NYPHP'" <nyphporg at dynamicink.com>
Cc: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New 
York City)


> These posts are not appropriate.
>
> And your name is not NYPHP.
>
> H
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-
>> bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of NYPHP
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:57 PM
>> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New
>> York City)
>>
>> The IT Management Conference will bring together the most prestigious
>> IT leaders for 3-jampacked-days where you will improve your IT
>> management knowledge and skills, do lots of power-networking and have
>> great fun while learning to be a better leader.
>>
>> www.ManageIT.me
> 



From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Feb 17 16:28:54 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:28:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Call-for-papers: IT MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE (New
	York City)
In-Reply-To: <25BAC9139F5B4CA2BAD1896305253214@e6300>
References: <3973BDE5DA1D47439EB410F6B02989E4@e6300>	<015301c99143$f4b2e190$de18a4b0$@com>
	<25BAC9139F5B4CA2BAD1896305253214@e6300>
Message-ID: <016801c99146$bc1b1700$34514500$@com>

> As for it not being appropriate for NYPHP, why not? There is a PHP-related
> topic in the call-for-papers and the conference is in NY.

We need to keep random announcements to an absolute minimum on this list, as
traffic is high as it is.  This also is not an "IT MANAGEMENT" group and the
vast majority of the topics aren't relevant to the group.  Furthermore, the
message looked a lot like spam.

In the future, please check with us first before doing these types of posts.

Thanks,

H




From artur at marnik.net  Tue Feb 17 17:21:54 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:21:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>

Hi all

Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the back-end 
and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for data transfer

Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user side I 
should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just to much 
of a hassle with little benefit?

 From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does 
anyone has any experience with it?

Thanks,
Artur


From ben at projectskyline.com  Tue Feb 17 17:40:07 2009
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:40:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
	<499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <499B3CC7.8080202@projectskyline.com>

Hi,

At my company we use Zend (no AMF though) with flex front ends. We talk 
to Flex via XML. It works great.
What Zend lacked was a truly RESTful router, so we extended Zend and 
created one.

Zend is nice because it doesn't force you to solve problems in a 
particular way - it gives you the tools.
But if your not utilizing Zend (db, caching, etc) maybe you don't need it.

- Ben

Artur Marnik wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the back-end 
> and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for data 
> transfer
>
> Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
> do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user side 
> I should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just to 
> much of a hassle with little benefit?
>
> From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does 
> anyone has any experience with it?
>
> Thanks,
> Artur
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From Ricky at nylontechnology.com  Tue Feb 17 17:49:10 2009
From: Ricky at nylontechnology.com (Ricky Robinett)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net><200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
	<499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <86F397D96FD09B4792600C76E082F5B6A542C9@RODIMUS.nylontechnology.local>

Hey Artur,

I have some experience creating Flex/AIR applications that communicate with PHP using Zend_Amf. My preference is to use the zend amf without the MVC structure. Especially if the front end is entirely Flex.

If you have any questions about the setup feel free to drop me a line.

Wade Arnold's blog is a really great resource:
http://wadearnold.com/blog/

As well, there are a couple articles in the newest issue of php|architect about Flex/AIR and PHP (disclaimer: I wrote one of them). 

Thanks!
Ricky


.....................................
Ricky Robinett
Developer
Zend Certified Engineer, PHP5
Adobe Certified Expert, ColdFusion 8

Nylon Technology
350 7th Avenue, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10001
?
212.691.1134 x25?direct
212.691.3477 fax
ricky at nylontechnology.com
www.nylontechnology.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Artur Marnik
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex

Hi all

Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the back-end 
and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for data transfer

Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user side I 
should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just to much 
of a hassle with little benefit?

 From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does 
anyone has any experience with it?

Thanks,
Artur
_______________________________________________
New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php


From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 18:05:05 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:05:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com> <499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40902171505i3179d47bq85b248934bf05c08@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:
> Hi all
>
>
> From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does anyone
> has any experience with it?
>

I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance advantages
if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
dynamic record sets.

I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
bundle a massive soap library on the client side.

-John Campbell


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Feb 17 18:18:44 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:18:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal
	error	occurs?
In-Reply-To: <001201c99111$b91718e0$2b454aa0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>
	<001201c99111$b91718e0$2b454aa0$@horning@planetnoc.com>
Message-ID: <20090217231844.GA699@panix.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:09:25AM -0500, Daniel Horning wrote:
> 
> Something as simple as an "ErrorDocument 200 /path/to/other.notify.script"
> in htaccess or in apache conf should allow you to reach this goal

An application I work on uses JSON to communicate.  I've adjusted our 
.htaccess file to print out a JSON string.  Note: pick only ONE, 
depending on which version of Apache is in play.  Note: remove line wrap.

In Apache 1.3:

   ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {"code":500,"message":"Apache
   server error"};

In Apache >= 2.0:

   ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {\"code\":500,\"message\":\"Apache
   server error\"};"

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From artur at marnik.net  Wed Feb 18 01:56:55 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:56:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <86F397D96FD09B4792600C76E082F5B6A542C9@RODIMUS.nylontechnology.local>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net><200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>	<499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
	<86F397D96FD09B4792600C76E082F5B6A542C9@RODIMUS.nylontechnology.local>
Message-ID: <499BB137.5060906@marnik.net>

Thanks for the link Ricky
and I will get php|architect as well

Artur

Ricky Robinett wrote:
> Hey Artur,
>
> I have some experience creating Flex/AIR applications that communicate with PHP using Zend_Amf. My preference is to use the zend amf without the MVC structure. Especially if the front end is entirely Flex.
>
> If you have any questions about the setup feel free to drop me a line.
>
> Wade Arnold's blog is a really great resource:
> http://wadearnold.com/blog/
>
> As well, there are a couple articles in the newest issue of php|architect about Flex/AIR and PHP (disclaimer: I wrote one of them). 
>
> Thanks!
> Ricky
>
>
> .....................................
> Ricky Robinett
> Developer
> Zend Certified Engineer, PHP5
> Adobe Certified Expert, ColdFusion 8
>
> Nylon Technology
> 350 7th Avenue, 10th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
>  
> 212.691.1134 x25 direct
> 212.691.3477 fax
> ricky at nylontechnology.com
> www.nylontechnology.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Artur Marnik
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:22 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
>
> Hi all
>
> Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the back-end 
> and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for data transfer
>
> Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
> do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user side I 
> should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just to much 
> of a hassle with little benefit?
>
>  From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does 
> anyone has any experience with it?
>
> Thanks,
> Artur
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>   



From ps at blu-studio.com  Wed Feb 18 08:32:24 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:32:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Footnote on IBM
Message-ID: <004001c991cd$567c9c20$0375d460$@com>

Being as NYPHP has an informal working rapport w/ IBM, I thought this
article might be worth a note to the list: 
http://www.itexaminer.com/ibm-pulls-out-of-us.aspx


Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
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From artur at marnik.net  Wed Feb 18 09:33:54 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40902171505i3179d47bq85b248934bf05c08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e230d2efb3a3.499ad24f@optonline.net>	<200902171052.21092.jellicle@gmail.com>
	<499B3882.4040104@marnik.net>
	<8f0676b40902171505i3179d47bq85b248934bf05c08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499C1C52.506@marnik.net>

Thanks a lot

I need to transfer a lot of binary data and in addition I need it to be 
as much dynamic as possible so I will try to use zend_amf then but 
without MVC structure - I think it is too much for small one-man project

Artur



John Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>> From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does anyone
>> has any experience with it?
>>
> 
> I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
> experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
> would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
> serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
> because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance advantages
> if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
> dynamic record sets.
> 
> I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
> XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
> bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
> 
> -John Campbell
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php


From danielmax at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 12:39:53 2009
From: danielmax at gmail.com (Daniel Max Kestin)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:39:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
Message-ID: <b94c23160902180939u2ece4cfdh871aa821082064d7@mail.gmail.com>

I've had success using the amfphp system.  Have not tried Zend's.  Either
way, you can definitely use just amf communication - without using the rest
of a huge mvc package.

Check out http://amfphp.org/

These websites were very helpful to me in figuring out the configuration:
http://www.howtoforge.com/amfphp_adobe_flex2_sdk
http://viconflex.blogspot.com/2007/04/mapping-vos-from-flex-to-php-using.html

The main reason I'm sticking with amfphp is because of their amf service
browser - which makes debugging VERY easy.

Unlike one of the other posters, I've had no trouble debugging amf objects
at all.  I never had reason to try and look at the binary content... I put
break-points in the flex builder to see what objects look like in the
debugger when they come over from PHP - and I put error_log()-type
statements in the php code to see what data looks like coming over from
Flex.

All in all, I've found amf to be very easy to work with.
Good luck!

--Daniel



> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> >
> > From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does
> anyone
> > has any experience with it?
> >
>
> I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
> experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
> would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
> serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
> because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance advantages
> if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
> dynamic record sets.
>
> I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
> XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
> bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
>
> -John Campbell
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:18:44 -0500
> From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal
>        error   occurs?
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <20090217231844.GA699 at panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:09:25AM -0500, Daniel Horning wrote:
> >
> > Something as simple as an "ErrorDocument 200
> /path/to/other.notify.script"
> > in htaccess or in apache conf should allow you to reach this goal
>
> An application I work on uses JSON to communicate.  I've adjusted our
> .htaccess file to print out a JSON string.  Note: pick only ONE,
> depending on which version of Apache is in play.  Note: remove line wrap.
>
> In Apache 1.3:
>
>   ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {"code":500,"message":"Apache
>   server error"};
>
> In Apache >= 2.0:
>
>   ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {\"code\":500,\"message\":\"Apache
>   server error\"};"
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>            data intensive web and database programming
>                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:56:55 -0500
> From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <499BB137.5060906 at marnik.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Thanks for the link Ricky
> and I will get php|architect as well
>
> Artur
>
> Ricky Robinett wrote:
> > Hey Artur,
> >
> > I have some experience creating Flex/AIR applications that communicate
> with PHP using Zend_Amf. My preference is to use the zend amf without the
> MVC structure. Especially if the front end is entirely Flex.
> >
> > If you have any questions about the setup feel free to drop me a line.
> >
> > Wade Arnold's blog is a really great resource:
> > http://wadearnold.com/blog/
> >
> > As well, there are a couple articles in the newest issue of php|architect
> about Flex/AIR and PHP (disclaimer: I wrote one of them).
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Ricky
> >
> >
> > .....................................
> > Ricky Robinett
> > Developer
> > Zend Certified Engineer, PHP5
> > Adobe Certified Expert, ColdFusion 8
> >
> > Nylon Technology
> > 350 7th Avenue, 10th Floor
> > New York, NY 10001
> >
> > 212.691.1134 x25 direct
> > 212.691.3477 fax
> > ricky at nylontechnology.com
> > www.nylontechnology.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Artur Marnik
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:22 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the back-end
> > and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for data
> transfer
> >
> > Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
> > do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user side I
> > should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just to much
> > of a hassle with little benefit?
> >
> >  From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does
> > anyone has any experience with it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Artur
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:32:24 -0500
> From: "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com>
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Footnote on IBM
> To: "'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <004001c991cd$567c9c20$0375d460$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="windows-1257"
>
> Being as NYPHP has an informal working rapport w/ IBM, I thought this
> article might be worth a note to the list:
> http://www.itexaminer.com/ibm-pulls-out-of-us.aspx
>
>
> Warmest regards,
> ?
> Peter Sawczynec
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com
> www.blu-studio.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:54 -0500
> From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <499C1C52.506 at marnik.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> I need to transfer a lot of binary data and in addition I need it to be
> as much dynamic as possible so I will try to use zend_amf then but
> without MVC structure - I think it is too much for small one-man project
>
> Artur
>
>
>
> John Campbell wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >>
> >> From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework - does
> anyone
> >> has any experience with it?
> >>
> >
> > I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
> > experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
> > would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
> > serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
> > because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance advantages
> > if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
> > dynamic record sets.
> >
> > I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
> > XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
> > bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
> >
> > -John Campbell
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From artur at marnik.net  Wed Feb 18 12:52:16 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:52:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
In-Reply-To: <b94c23160902180939u2ece4cfdh871aa821082064d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b94c23160902180939u2ece4cfdh871aa821082064d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499C4AD0.3040605@marnik.net>


now I just have to choose amfphp or zend_amf :)
I will take a closer look on both and see what are the pros and cons

thanks
Artur


Daniel Max Kestin wrote:
> I've had success using the amfphp system.  Have not tried Zend's.  
> Either way, you can definitely use just amf communication - without 
> using the rest of a huge mvc package.
> 
> Check out http://amfphp.org/
> 
> These websites were very helpful to me in figuring out the configuration:
> http://www.howtoforge.com/amfphp_adobe_flex2_sdk
> http://viconflex.blogspot.com/2007/04/mapping-vos-from-flex-to-php-using.html
> 
> The main reason I'm sticking with amfphp is because of their amf service 
> browser - which makes debugging VERY easy.
> 
> Unlike one of the other posters, I've had no trouble debugging amf 
> objects at all.  I never had reason to try and look at the binary 
> content... I put break-points in the flex builder to see what objects 
> look like in the debugger when they come over from PHP - and I put 
> error_log()-type statements in the php code to see what data looks like 
> coming over from Flex.
> 
> All in all, I've found amf to be very easy to work with. 
> Good luck!
> 
> --Daniel
> 
> 
> 
>     On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net
>     <mailto:artur at marnik.net>> wrote:
>      > Hi all
>      >
>      >
>      > From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework -
>     does anyone
>      > has any experience with it?
>      >
> 
>     I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
>     experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
>     would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
>     serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
>     because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance advantages
>     if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
>     dynamic record sets.
> 
>     I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
>     XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
>     bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
> 
>     -John Campbell
> 
> 
>     ------------------------------
> 
>     Message: 6
>     Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:18:44 -0500
>     From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
>     <mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>>
>     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal
>            error   occurs?
>     To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
>     Message-ID: <20090217231844.GA699 at panix.com
>     <mailto:20090217231844.GA699 at panix.com>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
>     On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:09:25AM -0500, Daniel Horning wrote:
>      >
>      > Something as simple as an "ErrorDocument 200
>     /path/to/other.notify.script"
>      > in htaccess or in apache conf should allow you to reach this goal
> 
>     An application I work on uses JSON to communicate.  I've adjusted our
>     .htaccess file to print out a JSON string.  Note: pick only ONE,
>     depending on which version of Apache is in play.  Note: remove line
>     wrap.
> 
>     In Apache 1.3:
> 
>       ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {"code":500,"message":"Apache
>       server error"};
> 
>     In Apache >= 2.0:
> 
>       ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {\"code\":500,\"message\":\"Apache
>       server error\"};"
> 
>     --Dan
> 
>     --
>      T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>                data intensive web and database programming
>                    http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>      4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
> 
> 
>     ------------------------------
> 
>     Message: 7
>     Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:56:55 -0500
>     From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net <mailto:artur at marnik.net>>
>     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
>     To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
>     Message-ID: <499BB137.5060906 at marnik.net
>     <mailto:499BB137.5060906 at marnik.net>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
>     Thanks for the link Ricky
>     and I will get php|architect as well
> 
>     Artur
> 
>     Ricky Robinett wrote:
>      > Hey Artur,
>      >
>      > I have some experience creating Flex/AIR applications that
>     communicate with PHP using Zend_Amf. My preference is to use the
>     zend amf without the MVC structure. Especially if the front end is
>     entirely Flex.
>      >
>      > If you have any questions about the setup feel free to drop me a
>     line.
>      >
>      > Wade Arnold's blog is a really great resource:
>      > http://wadearnold.com/blog/
>      >
>      > As well, there are a couple articles in the newest issue of
>     php|architect about Flex/AIR and PHP (disclaimer: I wrote one of them).
>      >
>      > Thanks!
>      > Ricky
>      >
>      >
>      > .....................................
>      > Ricky Robinett
>      > Developer
>      > Zend Certified Engineer, PHP5
>      > Adobe Certified Expert, ColdFusion 8
>      >
>      > Nylon Technology
>      > 350 7th Avenue, 10th Floor
>      > New York, NY 10001
>      >
>      > 212.691.1134 x25 direct
>      > 212.691.3477 fax
>      > ricky at nylontechnology.com <mailto:ricky at nylontechnology.com>
>      > www.nylontechnology.com <http://www.nylontechnology.com>
>      >
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>     <mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org>
>     [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>     <mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org>] On Behalf Of Artur Marnik
>      > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:22 PM
>      > To: NYPHP Talk
>      > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
>      >
>      > Hi all
>      >
>      > Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the back-end
>      > and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for
>     data transfer
>      >
>      > Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
>      > do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user
>     side I
>      > should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just
>     to much
>      > of a hassle with little benefit?
>      >
>      >  From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework -
>     does
>      > anyone has any experience with it?
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      > Artur
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>      >
>      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>      >
>      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>      >
> 
> 
> 
>     ------------------------------
> 
>     Message: 8
>     Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:32:24 -0500
>     From: "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at blu-studio.com>>
>     Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Footnote on IBM
>     To: "'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org
>     <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
>     Message-ID: <004001c991cd$567c9c20$0375d460$@com>
>     Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="windows-1257"
> 
>     Being as NYPHP has an informal working rapport w/ IBM, I thought this
>     article might be worth a note to the list:
>     http://www.itexaminer.com/ibm-pulls-out-of-us.aspx
> 
> 
>     Warmest regards,
>     ?
>     Peter Sawczynec
>     Technology Dir.
>     bl?studio
>     941.893.0396
>     ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at blu-studio.com>
>     www.blu-studio.com <http://www.blu-studio.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     ------------------------------
> 
>     Message: 9
>     Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:54 -0500
>     From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net <mailto:artur at marnik.net>>
>     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
>     To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
>     Message-ID: <499C1C52.506 at marnik.net <mailto:499C1C52.506 at marnik.net>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
>     Thanks a lot
> 
>     I need to transfer a lot of binary data and in addition I need it to be
>     as much dynamic as possible so I will try to use zend_amf then but
>     without MVC structure - I think it is too much for small one-man project
> 
>     Artur
> 
> 
> 
>     John Campbell wrote:
>      > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net
>     <mailto:artur at marnik.net>> wrote:
>      >> Hi all
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework -
>     does anyone
>      >> has any experience with it?
>      >>
>      >
>      > I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
>      > experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
>      > would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
>      > serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
>      > because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance
>     advantages
>      > if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
>      > dynamic record sets.
>      >
>      > I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
>      > XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
>      > bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
>      >
>      > -John Campbell
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>      >
>      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> 
> 
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From danielmax at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 00:20:43 2009
From: danielmax at gmail.com (Daniel Max Kestin)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:20:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
Message-ID: <b94c23160902192120q421860afr4762daabcca09c62@mail.gmail.com>

Two other bits of information on this topic...

1) I forgot to mention that there are two really helpful videos on Lee
Brimelow's website that helped me learn the basics of amfphp early on:
http://gotoandlearn.com/play?id=78
http://gotoandlearn.com/play?id=79
(he also has this video I have not watched about ZendAMF:
http://gotoandlearn.com/play?id=90)

2) My team just today successfully migrated the server-side portion of our
flex & php application  from a home-grown framework to cakephp.  With
minimal tinkering, we were able to make amfphp work with cake (that after
discovering that it was kind of a pain in the butt to make cake's native amf
system work).  So yah, one more happy story about amfphp.

--Daniel

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:52 PM, <talk-request at lists.nyphp.org> wrote:

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:52:16 -0500
> From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Message-ID: <499C4AD0.3040605 at marnik.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> now I just have to choose amfphp or zend_amf :)
> I will take a closer look on both and see what are the pros and cons
>
> thanks
> Artur
>
>
> Daniel Max Kestin wrote:
> > I've had success using the amfphp system.  Have not tried Zend's.
> > Either way, you can definitely use just amf communication - without
> > using the rest of a huge mvc package.
> >
> > Check out http://amfphp.org/
> >
> > These websites were very helpful to me in figuring out the configuration:
> > http://www.howtoforge.com/amfphp_adobe_flex2_sdk
> >
> http://viconflex.blogspot.com/2007/04/mapping-vos-from-flex-to-php-using.html
> >
> > The main reason I'm sticking with amfphp is because of their amf service
> > browser - which makes debugging VERY easy.
> >
> > Unlike one of the other posters, I've had no trouble debugging amf
> > objects at all.  I never had reason to try and look at the binary
> > content... I put break-points in the flex builder to see what objects
> > look like in the debugger when they come over from PHP - and I put
> > error_log()-type statements in the php code to see what data looks like
> > coming over from Flex.
> >
> > All in all, I've found amf to be very easy to work with.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > --Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >     On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net
> >     <mailto:artur at marnik.net>> wrote:
> >      > Hi all
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework -
> >     does anyone
> >      > has any experience with it?
> >      >
> >
> >     I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
> >     experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again, I
> >     would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
> >     serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
> >     because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance
> advantages
> >     if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
> >     dynamic record sets.
> >
> >     I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.  With
> >     XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
> >     bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
> >
> >     -John Campbell
> >
> >
> >     ------------------------------
> >
> >     Message: 6
> >     Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:18:44 -0500
> >     From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> >     <mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>>
> >     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I set the response code if a PHP Fatal
> >            error   occurs?
> >     To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
> >     Message-ID: <20090217231844.GA699 at panix.com
> >     <mailto:20090217231844.GA699 at panix.com>>
> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >     On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:09:25AM -0500, Daniel Horning wrote:
> >      >
> >      > Something as simple as an "ErrorDocument 200
> >     /path/to/other.notify.script"
> >      > in htaccess or in apache conf should allow you to reach this goal
> >
> >     An application I work on uses JSON to communicate.  I've adjusted our
> >     .htaccess file to print out a JSON string.  Note: pick only ONE,
> >     depending on which version of Apache is in play.  Note: remove line
> >     wrap.
> >
> >     In Apache 1.3:
> >
> >       ErrorDocument 500 "var response = {"code":500,"message":"Apache
> >       server error"};
> >
> >     In Apache >= 2.0:
> >
> >       ErrorDocument 500 "var response =
> {\"code\":500,\"message\":\"Apache
> >       server error\"};"
> >
> >     --Dan
> >
> >     --
> >      T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >                data intensive web and database programming
> >                    http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
> >      4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
> >
> >
> >     ------------------------------
> >
> >     Message: 7
> >     Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:56:55 -0500
> >     From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net <mailto:artur at marnik.net>>
> >     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> >     To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
> >     Message-ID: <499BB137.5060906 at marnik.net
> >     <mailto:499BB137.5060906 at marnik.net>>
> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >     Thanks for the link Ricky
> >     and I will get php|architect as well
> >
> >     Artur
> >
> >     Ricky Robinett wrote:
> >      > Hey Artur,
> >      >
> >      > I have some experience creating Flex/AIR applications that
> >     communicate with PHP using Zend_Amf. My preference is to use the
> >     zend amf without the MVC structure. Especially if the front end is
> >     entirely Flex.
> >      >
> >      > If you have any questions about the setup feel free to drop me a
> >     line.
> >      >
> >      > Wade Arnold's blog is a really great resource:
> >      > http://wadearnold.com/blog/
> >      >
> >      > As well, there are a couple articles in the newest issue of
> >     php|architect about Flex/AIR and PHP (disclaimer: I wrote one of
> them).
> >      >
> >      > Thanks!
> >      > Ricky
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > .....................................
> >      > Ricky Robinett
> >      > Developer
> >      > Zend Certified Engineer, PHP5
> >      > Adobe Certified Expert, ColdFusion 8
> >      >
> >      > Nylon Technology
> >      > 350 7th Avenue, 10th Floor
> >      > New York, NY 10001
> >      >
> >      > 212.691.1134 x25 direct
> >      > 212.691.3477 fax
> >      > ricky at nylontechnology.com <mailto:ricky at nylontechnology.com>
> >      > www.nylontechnology.com <http://www.nylontechnology.com>
> >      >
> >      > -----Original Message-----
> >      > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> >     <mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org>
> >     [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> >     <mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org>] On Behalf Of Artur Marnik
> >      > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:22 PM
> >      > To: NYPHP Talk
> >      > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> >      >
> >      > Hi all
> >      >
> >      > Recently I've started creating some project using PHP on the
> back-end
> >      > and Flex on the front-end and so far I was using XML files for
> >     data transfer
> >      >
> >      > Recently I started testing with zend framework and zend_amf
> >      > do you think that for project that is using just flex on the user
> >     side I
> >      > should use zend framework and their MVC structure? or it is just
> >     to much
> >      > of a hassle with little benefit?
> >      >
> >      >  From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework -
> >     does
> >      > anyone has any experience with it?
> >      >
> >      > Thanks,
> >      > Artur
> >      > _______________________________________________
> >      > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> >      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >      >
> >      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >      > _______________________________________________
> >      > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> >      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >      >
> >      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >      >
> >
> >
> >
> >     ------------------------------
> >
> >     Message: 8
> >     Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:32:24 -0500
> >     From: "Peter Sawczynec" <ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at blu-studio.com
> >>
> >     Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Footnote on IBM
> >     To: "'Org, Talk at Nyphp.'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >     <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
> >     Message-ID: <004001c991cd$567c9c20$0375d460$@com>
> >     Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="windows-1257"
> >
> >     Being as NYPHP has an informal working rapport w/ IBM, I thought this
> >     article might be worth a note to the list:
> >     http://www.itexaminer.com/ibm-pulls-out-of-us.aspx
> >
> >
> >     Warmest regards,
> >     ?
> >     Peter Sawczynec
> >     Technology Dir.
> >     bl?studio
> >     941.893.0396
> >     ps at blu-studio.com <mailto:ps at blu-studio.com>
> >     www.blu-studio.com <http://www.blu-studio.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     ------------------------------
> >
> >     Message: 9
> >     Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:33:54 -0500
> >     From: Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net <mailto:artur at marnik.net>>
> >     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Flex
> >     To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>>
> >     Message-ID: <499C1C52.506 at marnik.net <mailto:499C1C52.506 at marnik.net
> >>
> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >     Thanks a lot
> >
> >     I need to transfer a lot of binary data and in addition I need it to
> be
> >     as much dynamic as possible so I will try to use zend_amf then but
> >     without MVC structure - I think it is too much for small one-man
> project
> >
> >     Artur
> >
> >
> >
> >     John Campbell wrote:
> >      > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net
> >     <mailto:artur at marnik.net>> wrote:
> >      >> Hi all
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >> From what I read I can use just zend_amf without the framework -
> >     does anyone
> >      >> has any experience with it?
> >      >>
> >      >
> >      > I have experience with amfphp, and it works as promised  (no
> >      > experience with Zend_AMF).  However, if I could do it over again,
> I
> >      > would probably just use json / json-rpc.  AMF is a really tight
> >      > serialization format, but it makes debugging a pain in the neck
> >      > because it is not human readable.  AMF has some performance
> >     advantages
> >      > if you are sending loads of binary data, and it has features for
> >      > dynamic record sets.
> >      >
> >      > I avoid XML where possible for communicating with the client.
>  With
> >      > XML you have to write custom code to serialize and deserialize, or
> >      > bundle a massive soap library on the client side.
> >      >
> >      > -John Campbell
> >      > _______________________________________________
> >      > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> >      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >      >
> >      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
> >
> >     ------------------------------
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     talk mailing list
> >     talk at lists.nyphp.org <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >     http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >     End of talk Digest, Vol 28, Issue 31
> >     ************************************
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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>
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From ps at blu-studio.com  Fri Feb 20 16:34:37 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:34:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
Message-ID: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>

I want to get my *. htm and *.html files to be parsed as PHP files.
With shared hosting I don't have access to Apache conf, but I can put
.htaccess files 
in my dirs. So I am planning to add this line:

AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .html .htm

? in the .htaccess file.

Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
Has anyone done this and was satisfied with the results?

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 





From artur at marnik.net  Fri Feb 20 16:48:41 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:48:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
Message-ID: <499F2539.8030207@marnik.net>

Hi Peter,

This is exactly what I did on my server about 10 years ago when I 
started my journey with PHP. I don't remember why but I wanted to keep 
all my extensions as .html so I used it for few years

There is only one con - all your files will be parsed by PHP. So if you 
want to use some caching, static content etc it will still use PHP 
engine for display - I would say not recommended for very high traffic.
For small website It should be ok

Artur


Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> I want to get my *. htm and *.html files to be parsed as PHP files.
> With shared hosting I don't have access to Apache conf, but I can put
> .htaccess files 
> in my dirs. So I am planning to add this line:
> 
> AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .html .htm
> 
> ? in the .htaccess file.
> 
> Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
> Has anyone done this and was satisfied with the results?
> 
> Warmest regards, 
>  
> Peter Sawczynec 
> Technology Dir.
> bl?studio 
> 941.893.0396
> ps at blu-studio.com 
> www.blu-studio.com 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php


From tedd at sperling.com  Sat Feb 21 10:37:41 2009
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:37:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
Message-ID: <p06240809c5c5ce4b7cc0@[192.168.1.101]>

At 4:34 PM -0500 2/20/09, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>I want to get my *. htm and *.html files to be parsed as PHP files.
>With shared hosting I don't have access to Apache conf, but I can put
>.htaccess files
>in my dirs. So I am planning to add this line:
>
>AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .html .htm
>
>? in the .htaccess file.
>
>Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>Has anyone done this and was satisfied with the results?
>
>Warmest regards,
>
>Peter Sawczynec

Peter:

I don't know how to judge if it's a good idea, or 
not -- but I do it. My .htaccess file is a bit 
different from yours, namely:

# handler for phpsuexec. -- this makes these prefixes considered for php
<FilesMatch "\.(htm|html|css|tpl)$">
  SetHandler application/x-httpd-php
</FilesMatch>

Note that I also have css in there so I can embed 
php code in css -- that's neat.

The only problem I have run into that some 
browsers, like FireFox require this --

<?php header('Content-Type: text/css; charset=UTF-8'); ?>

-- to be the first line in my non-php files. But 
that hasn't been a big problem for me.

HTH's

tedd

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From ajai at bitblit.net  Sat Feb 21 23:15:26 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:15:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:

> Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?

Not good for performance or scalability. A PHP framework with routing 
should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to 
changing Apache's behavior.


-- 
Aj.



From tedd at sperling.com  Sun Feb 22 08:44:03 2009
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:44:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <p06240804c5c70539dded@[192.168.1.101]>

At 11:15 PM -0500 2/21/09, Ajai Khattri wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>
>>  Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>
>Not good for performance or scalability. A PHP framework with routing
>should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
>changing Apache's behavior.
>--
>Aj.

Now that I think about it, Apache's behavior at default is to 
consider embedded php -- so I'm not sure why one would want to add a 
directive to parse html files as php.

Furthermore, if you don't wrap your html code in a heredoc wrapper, 
the html code will cause the script to crash.

So maybe we need to investigate this a bit further -- why do you want 
to do this Peter?

Cheers,

tedd
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From arzala at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 08:59:11 2009
From: arzala at gmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:29:11 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <200902221929.11910.arzala@gmail.com>

On Sunday 22 Feb 2009 9:45:26 am Ajai Khattri wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
> > Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>
> Not good for performance or scalability. A PHP framework with routing
> should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
> changing Apache's behavior.

+1 to this solution.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala



From ps at blu-studio.com  Sun Feb 22 13:20:20 2009
From: ps at blu-studio.com (Peter Sawczynec)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:20:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c5c70539dded@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<p06240804c5c70539dded@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>

Okay, well thank you to all for the insightful responses so far.

So this probably is an SEO issue. In that I am looking at a niche all
HTML site 
that has been up for awhile and has gained decent google relevancy in
search results.

I am concerned that changing all the page names from
"topic_specific_file_name.html" to 
"topic_specific_file_name.php" might make all the pages appear as all
new pages to 
google and re-set the search results standing for the entire site. 

So I was considering the *.html parsed thru PHP technique to get PHP
into all the pages.

And in a dark personal corner I did like a little the modicum of
security through obscurity that 
this technique might gain.

So now if anyone with some SEO/search background can weigh in on the
page name change issue 
that would be great.

Warmest regards, 
?
Peter Sawczynec 
Technology Dir.
bl?studio 
941.893.0396
ps at blu-studio.com 
www.blu-studio.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of tedd
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:44 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP

At 11:15 PM -0500 2/21/09, Ajai Khattri wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>
>>  Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>
>Not good for performance or scalability. A PHP framework with routing
>should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
>changing Apache's behavior.
>--
>Aj.

Now that I think about it, Apache's behavior at default is to 
consider embedded php -- so I'm not sure why one would want to add a 
directive to parse html files as php.

Furthermore, if you don't wrap your html code in a heredoc wrapper, 
the html code will cause the script to crash.

So maybe we need to investigate this a bit further -- why do you want 
to do this Peter?

Cheers,

tedd
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From tedd at sperling.com  Sun Feb 22 13:51:22 2009
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:51:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<p06240804c5c70539dded@[192.168.1.101]>
	<000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>
Message-ID: <p0624080cc5c74d92d2d6@[192.168.1.101]>

At 1:20 PM -0500 2/22/09, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>Okay, well thank you to all for the insightful responses so far.
>
>So this probably is an SEO issue. In that I am looking at a niche all
>HTML site
>that has been up for awhile and has gained decent google relevancy in
>search results.
>
>I am concerned that changing all the page names from
>"topic_specific_file_name.html" to
>"topic_specific_file_name.php" might make all the pages appear as all
>new pages to
>google and re-set the search results standing for the entire site.
>
>So I was considering the *.html parsed thru PHP technique to get PHP
>into all the pages.
>
>And in a dark personal corner I did like a little the modicum of
>security through obscurity that
>this technique might gain.
>
>So now if anyone with some SEO/search background can weigh in on the
>page name change issue
>that would be great.
>
>Warmest regards,
>
>Peter Sawczynec
>Technology Dir.

Peter:

I don't know how Google or other search engines may view changes like 
that, but I can't imagine the change would be significant -- both 
suffixes work. It's my understanding that SE's look at content rather 
than the suffix, but I could be wrong.

It you belong to scrubtheweb.com, you might ask them -- they would know.

Cheers,

tedd
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From tim_lists at o2group.com  Sun Feb 22 14:54:13 2009
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:54:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<p06240804c5c70539dded@[192.168.1.101]>
	<000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>
Message-ID: <06405E3C-B6AE-4CF8-8476-C6A0BD236C22@o2group.com>

On Feb 22, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Peter Sawczynec wrote:

> Okay, well thank you to all for the insightful responses so far.
>
> So this probably is an SEO issue. In that I am looking at a niche all
> HTML site
> that has been up for awhile and has gained decent google relevancy in
> search results.
>
> I am concerned that changing all the page names from
> "topic_specific_file_name.html" to
> "topic_specific_file_name.php" might make all the pages appear as all
> new pages to
> google and re-set the search results standing for the entire site.
>


I'm not an SEO pro, but if there aren't a ton of pages, I'd suggest  
creating new page with the .php suffix, and then redirect the old urls  
to the new ones with 301 status from apache.

This is the proper, official way to move a resource.  And google  
approves of it:

<http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=93633 
 >

-Tim


From greg_rundlett at harvard.edu  Sun Feb 22 15:04:55 2009
From: greg_rundlett at harvard.edu (Greg Rundlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:04:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>
> Not good for performance or scalability.

Why exactly?  mod_php is both performant and scalable.

> A PHP framework with routing
> should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
> changing Apache's behavior.

You're saying that  complex framework is a better solution than a
configuration one-liner.  Why?


I've used this technique successfully before when converting a series
of websites with tens of thousands of flat html files into my own
custom CMS under the covers.


-- 
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From greg at freephile.com  Sun Feb 22 15:10:56 2009
From: greg at freephile.com (Greg Rundlett (freephile))
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:10:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c5c70539dded@192.168.1.101>
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:44 AM, tedd <tedd at sperling.com> wrote:
> At 11:15 PM -0500 2/21/09, Ajai Khattri wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>>
>>>  Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>>
>> Not good for performance or scalability. A PHP framework with routing
>> should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
>> changing Apache's behavior.
>> --
>> Aj.
>
> Now that I think about it, Apache's behavior at default is to consider
> embedded php -- so I'm not sure why one would want to add a directive to
> parse html files as php.

Apache's default for .html is text/html

> Furthermore, if you don't wrap your html code in a heredoc wrapper, the html
> code will cause the script to crash.

That's not correct.  If .html files are parsed through Mod_php, the
default behavior of the PHP module is to output the contents just like
text/html, which is why you have to add PHP processing instructions
(aka "tags") to your PHP files to turn ON php i.e. <?php print
("foo"); ?>    I'm saying that turning on PHP processing of regular
HTML files will output HTML just like if you didn't pass the file
through mod_php.

-- 
Greg Rundlett
Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
http://iic.harvard.edu
camb 617-384-5872
nbpt 978-225-8302
m. 978-764-4424
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From greg at freephile.com  Sun Feb 22 15:13:08 2009
From: greg at freephile.com (Greg Rundlett (freephile))
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:13:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fwd:  Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <5e2aaca40902221204h7b913f4ahf649be67fa332d7@mail.gmail.com>
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(sorry if this is a duplicate - I posted earlier with the incorrect
sender address)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Rundlett <greg_rundlett at harvard.edu>
Date: Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>


On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>
> Not good for performance or scalability.

Why exactly?  mod_php is both performant and scalable.

> A PHP framework with routing
> should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
> changing Apache's behavior.

You're saying that  complex framework is a better solution than a
configuration one-liner.  Why?


I've used this technique successfully before when converting a series
of websites with tens of thousands of flat html files into my own
custom CMS under the covers.


-- 
Greg Rundlett
Web Developer - Initiative in Innovative Computing
http://iic.harvard.edu
camb 617-384-5872
nbpt 978-225-8302
m. 978-764-4424
-skype/aim/irc/twitter freephile
http://profiles.aim.com/freephile


From tim_lists at o2group.com  Sun Feb 22 15:31:14 2009
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:31:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <5e2aaca40902221204h7b913f4ahf649be67fa332d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
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	<5e2aaca40902221204h7b913f4ahf649be67fa332d7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Greg Rundlett wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net>  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>>
>> Not good for performance or scalability.
>
> Why exactly?  mod_php is both performant and scalable.

mod_php can be a memory hog, bloating your httpd processes.  Who needs  
that bloat to serve static content?

Nice little webcast about this here:

<http://www.joomlaperformance.com/articles/webcasts/why_mod_php_is_bad_for_performance_52_58.html 
 >

>
>
>> A PHP framework with routing
>> should allow you use URLs with .html at the end without resorting to
>> changing Apache's behavior.
>
> You're saying that  complex framework is a better solution than a
> configuration one-liner.  Why?

Here I agree.  Frameworks are great for complex systems.

But they're more trouble than they're worth if all you want is pretty  
URLs.  Though, I suppose you could write a little microframework to  
just do routing.  But, on the other hand, you've already got  
mod_rewrite.


From tedd at sperling.com  Sun Feb 22 15:53:50 2009
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:53:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <5e2aaca40902221210i3c4ddc12v23006a5896c263c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<p06240804c5c70539dded@192.168.1.101>
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Message-ID: <p06240800c5c76b2fc3b3@[192.168.0.100]>

At 3:10 PM -0500 2/22/09, Greg Rundlett (freephile) wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 8:44 AM, tedd <tedd at sperling.com> wrote:
>  > Furthermore, if you don't wrap your html code in a heredoc 
>wrapper, the html
>>  code will cause the script to crash.
>
>That's not correct.  If .html files are parsed through Mod_php, the
>default behavior of the PHP module is to output the contents just like
>text/html, which is why you have to add PHP processing instructions
>(aka "tags") to your PHP files to turn ON php i.e. <?php print
>("foo"); ?>    I'm saying that turning on PHP processing of regular
>HTML files will output HTML just like if you didn't pass the file
>through mod_php.
>
>--
>Greg Rundlett


Greg:

You are absolutely right.

I was thinking of using html without "<?php echo($whatever); ?>" and 
using php variables directly in the html code.

Cheers,

tedd

-- 
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From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 16:13:30 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:13:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
In-Reply-To: <000701c9951a$39044800$ab0cd800$@com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<p06240804c5c70539dded@192.168.1.101>
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2009/2/22 Peter Sawczynec <ps at blu-studio.com>:

> So now if anyone with some SEO/search background can weigh in on the
> page name change issue
> that would be great.

You are on the right track.  You could do a bazillion 301 redirects
from .html to .php , but that is a waste of your time, will slow down
page loads, and 301 redirects don't always pass 100% of the link
juice.  Why bother?


From greg_rundlett at harvard.edu  Sun Feb 22 22:52:27 2009
From: greg_rundlett at harvard.edu (Greg Rundlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:52:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse HTML Files as PHP
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On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Tim Lieberman <tim_lists at o2group.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Greg Rundlett wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Peter Sawczynec wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone have any comment on this strategy pro or con?
>>>
>>> Not good for performance or scalability.
>>
>> Why exactly?  mod_php is both performant and scalable.
>
> mod_php can be a memory hog, bloating your httpd processes.  Who needs that
> bloat to serve static content?
>
> Nice little webcast about this here:
>
> <http://www.joomlaperformance.com/articles/webcasts/why_mod_php_is_bad_for_performance_52_58.html>
>

Thanks for the link Tim.  That webcast offers a good explanation of
the differences between a couple options for running PHP (Apache
Module v. FastCGI implementation).  However, the OP was looking to add
PHP capabilities (e.g. logic, dynamic content, navigation, sessions,
whatever) to a collection of static html files.  That means he must
use PHP -- either mod_php or fastcgi and will take on some performance
overhead.  And the question is whether he should just turn on the PHP
interpreter for requests to *.html or some other approach.  Saying
fastcgi is faster than mod_php doesn't offer a solution to the
original question.  To add the php interpreter to a collection .html
URIs, you can turn it on at the server configuration level (with the
AddHandler directive "plan
A"http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_mime.html#addhandler ) or
you could do it in a few other ways.

I think the most commonly seen method is to abandon the original URIs.
E.g. "Due to a "site upgrade" our homepage home.html has now moved to
home.php, please update your bookmarks". But I must say that is a bad
idea.

One alternate way (that has been suggested and even seconded) is to
use an application framework (assuming that it has some dispatcher
mechanism that maps the request to the original content) so that it
can respond appropriately to requests for your original URIs.  This
could be implemented with many PHP frameworks (or Python etc.)  The
business case for "creating an application" depends on many factors we
don't know about -- so I'd hesitate to recommend it apriori.  In fact,
I'd say that is a answer to a problem that hasn't been asked yet.

Besides telling Apache to handle *.html requests with the php
interpreter via the AddHandler directive (either as an Apache module,
or fastcgi implementation, or perhaps using lighthttpd...) another
option is to use content negotiation (which is more often used for
translations but works just as well for mime types).   Rename all the
.html files as .php and let Apache serve the mapped file.
http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/02/content_negotiation.html and
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_negotiation.html  This
approach will not change the requested URIs, so it is SEO-neutral.
I'd recommend using this approach while simultaneously updating all
internal references to be technology-agnostic.  Client requests
foo.html --> Apache finds foo.php and serves it as foo.html.  bar.php
should link to "foo" rather than foo.html or foo.php  The resource on
disk should be foo.php so that developers can know the technology in
use, and IDEs can easily identify the mime-type.

You could rename all the files (*.html -> *.php) and use mod_rewrite
under the covers but that would be a double performance hit: once for
mod_rewrite execution; the other intentional performance hit for
invoking PHP.

I'm assuming that static or anonymous content serving (e.g.
about.us.html which is now about.us.php on disk and served through the
php interpreter in response to requests to either about.us or
about.us.html) would be optimized using php caching, or other caching
strategies.  Info at
http://freephile.com/wiki/index.php/PHP_Accelerator

It's been a while since I dug into the current link juice algorithms,
but I'd say that as long as external links to your content still work
with a 200 response, then you're good.  If you're implementing visible
(to the client) redirects or changing URIs then you're in for a hit.

Also, for those interested in benchmarking performance of different
servers (Apache v. Lighty), deployment options for PHP (cgi v. module)
or PHP versions (php4 v. php5) here are a couple of good links:
http://buytaert.net/drupal-webserver-configurations-compared
http://sebastian-bergmann.de/archives/634-PHP-GCC-ICC-Benchmark.html


From artur at marnik.net  Mon Feb 23 15:42:31 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:42:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP scripts running in JBoss
In-Reply-To: <5e2aaca40902221952r6086036dp5f5ae0b449904226@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>	<5e2aaca40902221204h7b913f4ahf649be67fa332d7@mail.gmail.com>	<DE9995DD-F55C-4FCA-B99B-A9F383A798F7@o2group.com>
	<5e2aaca40902221952r6086036dp5f5ae0b449904226@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>

Hi All

In my company we are using Linux servers where we have PHP, mysql and 
all other nice stuff. My new manager is a Java guy and he always worked 
with Java and his new idea is to move all our stuff to Jboss. There is 
only one problem - we don't have enough time to migrate all of our PHP 
code to some Java stuff and he wants to install PHP servlet inside jboss 
to serve PHP content. Idea is ok but all info I could find in google is 
how to do it in Windows :( and all php5servlets that I found are for 
windows (php5servlet.dll). Has anyone ever done something similar and 
have an idea at least where to start?

Thanks
Artur


From jmcgraw1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 15:44:24 2009
From: jmcgraw1 at gmail.com (Jake McGraw)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:44:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP scripts running in JBoss
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Try using this:

http://php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/pjb/

- jake

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> In my company we are using Linux servers where we have PHP, mysql and all
> other nice stuff. My new manager is a Java guy and he always worked with
> Java and his new idea is to move all our stuff to Jboss. There is only one
> problem - we don't have enough time to migrate all of our PHP code to some
> Java stuff and he wants to install PHP servlet inside jboss to serve PHP
> content. Idea is ok but all info I could find in google is how to do it in
> Windows :( and all php5servlets that I found are for windows
> (php5servlet.dll). Has anyone ever done something similar and have an idea
> at least where to start?
>
> Thanks
> Artur
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From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Mon Feb 23 15:59:52 2009
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:59:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to grab original uri from error page
Message-ID: <49A30E48.6040605@nyphp.com>

I need to grab the original uri after having been redirected
to an error page (like example.com/blah now that I'm in 404.php).
I suppose this is somewhere in HttpRequest but I can't find it
(brains not working very well right now). Anybody?

-- 
=================
Michael Southwell
Vice President, Education
NYPHP TRAINING:  http://nyphp.com/Training/Indepth


From artur at marnik.net  Mon Feb 23 16:11:21 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:11:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to grab original uri from error page
In-Reply-To: <49A30E48.6040605@nyphp.com>
References: <49A30E48.6040605@nyphp.com>
Message-ID: <49A310F9.3040101@marnik.net>

try $_SERVER["HTTP_REFERER"]

Artur


Michael Southwell wrote:
> I need to grab the original uri after having been redirected
> to an error page (like example.com/blah now that I'm in 404.php).
> I suppose this is somewhere in HttpRequest but I can't find it
> (brains not working very well right now). Anybody?
> 


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb 23 16:29:01 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:29:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to grab original uri from error page
In-Reply-To: <49A30E48.6040605@nyphp.com>
References: <49A30E48.6040605@nyphp.com>
Message-ID: <20090223212901.GA6491@panix.com>

Hey Michael:

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:59:52PM -0500, Michael Southwell wrote:
> I need to grab the original uri after having been redirected
> to an error page (like example.com/blah now that I'm in 404.php).

It's in $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'].  My favorite way to figure stuff like 
this out is putting phpinfo() in the page you're curious about.

--Dan

-- 
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Feb 23 16:36:33 2009
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:36:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP scripts running in JBoss
In-Reply-To: <49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>
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	<5e2aaca40902221952r6086036dp5f5ae0b449904226@mail.gmail.com>
	<49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <20090223213633.GB6491@panix.com>

Hi Artur:

When you want to start a new discussion, you need to make a whole new 
email.  Replying to an earlier email makes your discussion show up as 
part of the earlier discussion.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:42:31PM -0500, Artur Marnik wrote:
>
> My new manager is a Java guy and he always worked  
> with Java and his new idea is to move all our stuff to Jboss.
...
> he wants to install PHP servlet inside jboss  
> to serve PHP content.

Sorry for not really answering your question, but _exactly_ why do they 
want to do this?  Seems like they don't know what they're doing.  Adding 
needless layers is a really bad idea.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From krook at us.ibm.com  Mon Feb 23 16:47:36 2009
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:47:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP scripts running in JBoss
In-Reply-To: <49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>
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	<49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>
Message-ID: <OFAA4BFFEA.C30F731E-ON85257566.00745868-85257566.0077B1AC@us.ibm.com>

Hi Artur,

Artur Marnik <artur at marnik.net> wrote on 02/23/2009 03:42:31 PM:

> Hi All
> 
> In my company we are using Linux servers where we have 
> PHP, mysql and 
> all other nice stuff. My new manager is a Java guy and he 
> always worked 
> with Java and his new idea is to move all our stuff to 
> Jboss. There is 
> only one problem - we don't have enough time to migrate 
> all of our PHP 
> code to some Java stuff and he wants to install PHP 
> servlet inside jboss 
> to serve PHP content. Idea is ok but all info I could find
> in google is 
> how to do it in Windows :( and all php5servlets that I 
> found are for 
> windows (php5servlet.dll). Has anyone ever done something 
> similar and 
> have an idea at least where to start?
> 
> Thanks
> Artur


There are a few ways to approach PHP/JEE application server integration, 
and the solution you pick depends on the answer to a few questions:

- Is this a straight conversion of your applications from PHP to Java? Or 
do you intend to leave some portion in PHP?
- Do you need your PHP and Java application modules to communicate with 
each other?
- What sort of transition plan are you looking at?  Phased, or complete in 
one shot?   Only new features in Java?
- What benefit - besides being more comfortable with Java as a language - 
is your manager looking to get from Java as a platform?  PHP is better at 
some things, Java, others.
- Why JBoss and not just Tomcat or Geronimo?  Or any other JEE application 
server for that matter?

In my opinion, the best place to start is to use Apache as a front end to 
both your PHP and JEE applications, and let Apache decide which to 
delegate the request to based on the URL pattern. 

In this scenario, JBoss and PHP would know nothing about each other, but 
could share data via MySQL or client-side cookies.   This is good for 
supporting a phased approach and keeps your inter-Java/PHP dependencies to 
a minimum.

This article is close to 4 years old, but it covers this scenario in a 
WebSphere specific way (though the concepts are generic):
   Pair J2EE with PHP to implement a common Web application infrastructure
   
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0505_krook/0505_krook.html

You could also explore PHP / Java integration via a bridge using several 
approaches:
   http://krook.net/archives/191

Or, use a PHP interpreter written in Java (my least favorite option... but 
gaining in popularity), integrating Java and PHP in the same JVM, which is 
what Quercus, Project Zero and others do:
  http://www.projectzero.org/
  http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/



Thanks,
-Dan


Daniel Krook
Senior IT Specialist - Tools Team Lead, Global Solutions, ibm.com
IBM Certified IT Specialist, SCSA, SCJP, SCWCD, ZCE, ICDAssoc., ICAD





From artur at marnik.net  Mon Feb 23 16:51:13 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:51:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP scripts running in JBoss
In-Reply-To: <20090223213633.GB6491@panix.com>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>	<5e2aaca40902221204h7b913f4ahf649be67fa332d7@mail.gmail.com>	<DE9995DD-F55C-4FCA-B99B-A9F383A798F7@o2group.com>	<5e2aaca40902221952r6086036dp5f5ae0b449904226@mail.gmail.com>	<49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>
	<20090223213633.GB6491@panix.com>
Message-ID: <49A31A51.3060503@marnik.net>

> 
> When you want to start a new discussion, you need to make a whole new 
> email.  Replying to an earlier email makes your discussion show up as 
> part of the earlier discussion.

ok sorry for that


> 
> Sorry for not really answering your question, but _exactly_ why do they 
> want to do this?  Seems like they don't know what they're doing.  Adding 
> needless layers is a really bad idea.
> 

they want to migrate to java only but during the transition process we 
need part of our old PHP code to run alongside with java

Artur


From artur at marnik.net  Mon Feb 23 16:59:59 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:59:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP scripts running in JBoss
In-Reply-To: <OFAA4BFFEA.C30F731E-ON85257566.00745868-85257566.0077B1AC@us.ibm.com>
References: <006e01c993a3$08838880$198a9980$@com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902212311500.24795-100000@bitblit.net>	<5e2aaca40902221204h7b913f4ahf649be67fa332d7@mail.gmail.com>	<DE9995DD-F55C-4FCA-B99B-A9F383A798F7@o2group.com>	<5e2aaca40902221952r6086036dp5f5ae0b449904226@mail.gmail.com>	<49A30A37.3000709@marnik.net>
	<OFAA4BFFEA.C30F731E-ON85257566.00745868-85257566.0077B1AC@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <49A31C5F.8010903@marnik.net>

> 
> There are a few ways to approach PHP/JEE application server integration, 
> and the solution you pick depends on the answer to a few questions:
> 
> - Is this a straight conversion of your applications from PHP to Java? Or 
> do you intend to leave some portion in PHP?

temporary we will leave our PHP code but the long term goal is to 
translate everything to Java

> - Do you need your PHP and Java application modules to communicate with 
> each other?

this is not that important but it might be required in some cases (worst 
case scenario we can solve it using XML or other method)

> - What sort of transition plan are you looking at?  Phased, or complete in 
> one shot?   Only new features in Java?

phased - new features in Java and gradually transferring old code to 
Java as well

> - What benefit - besides being more comfortable with Java as a language - 
> is your manager looking to get from Java as a platform?  PHP is better at 
> some things, Java, others.

this is out of the question at all - we tried we failed - we have to go 
with Java

> - Why JBoss and not just Tomcat or Geronimo?  Or any other JEE application 
> server for that matter?

same as above

> 
> In my opinion, the best place to start is to use Apache as a front end to 
> both your PHP and JEE applications, and let Apache decide which to 
> delegate the request to based on the URL pattern. 
> 
> In this scenario, JBoss and PHP would know nothing about each other, but 
> could share data via MySQL or client-side cookies.   This is good for 
> supporting a phased approach and keeps your inter-Java/PHP dependencies to 
> a minimum.

this is what I was thinking but pressure is to have jboss (with tomcat) 
on the first line and then if request is meant for php then send it to 
apache (which can be run internally with no problems)

> 
> This article is close to 4 years old, but it covers this scenario in a 
> WebSphere specific way (though the concepts are generic):
>    Pair J2EE with PHP to implement a common Web application infrastructure
>    
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0505_krook/0505_krook.html
> 
> You could also explore PHP / Java integration via a bridge using several 
> approaches:
>    http://krook.net/archives/191
> 

thanks - will check the links

> Or, use a PHP interpreter written in Java (my least favorite option... but 
> gaining in popularity), integrating Java and PHP in the same JVM, which is 
> what Quercus, Project Zero and others do:
>   http://www.projectzero.org/
>   http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/quercus/
> 

this is interesting - that might actually work

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> -Dan
> 
> 


thanks a lot
Artur


From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Mon Feb 23 17:36:13 2009
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:36:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to grab original uri from error page
In-Reply-To: <20090223212901.GA6491@panix.com>
References: <49A30E48.6040605@nyphp.com> <20090223212901.GA6491@panix.com>
Message-ID: <49A324DD.4030406@nyphp.com>

Daniel Convissor wrote:
> Hey Michael:
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 03:59:52PM -0500, Michael Southwell wrote:
>> I need to grab the original uri after having been redirected
>> to an error page (like example.com/blah now that I'm in 404.php).
> 
> It's in $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']. 

doh, of course ;-(

  My favorite way to figure stuff like
> this out is putting phpinfo() in the page you're curious about.

aha, neat. thanks, Dan


-- 
=================
Michael Southwell
Vice President, Education
NYPHP TRAINING:  http://nyphp.com/Training/Indepth


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Feb 23 18:12:15 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:12:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902231810540.24795-100000@bitblit.net>



Best way to flatten a multi-dimensional array of objects into a single dimensional array?



-- 
A



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 18:45:10 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:45:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902231810540.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902231810540.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690902231545j4e0c3140r227f8dec3fe4568f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
>
> Best way to flatten a multi-dimensional array of objects into a single dimensional array?

Append each sub-key's name to the current name, separated by an underscore.

$deep['foo']['bar']['quux']

becomes

$flat['foo_bar_quux']

Provided the keys don't have underscores in them already, of course. ;-)

This happens all the time when people want to get data into Excel or
CSV for statistical analysis.


From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Feb 23 18:51:04 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:51:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <b76252690902231545j4e0c3140r227f8dec3fe4568f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902231849350.24795-100000@bitblit.net>

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, csnyder wrote:

> Append each sub-key's name to the current name, separated by an underscore.
> 
> $deep['foo']['bar']['quux']
> 
> becomes
> 
> $flat['foo_bar_quux']
> 
> Provided the keys don't have underscores in them already, of course. ;-)

Its a tree structure so Ive no idea how many arrays are in there, so Id 
need to walk through each array recursively and get keys?


-- 
Aj.



From tim_lists at o2group.com  Mon Feb 23 18:55:53 2009
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:55:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902231849350.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902231849350.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <82EEA50D-66E0-4D1E-8AAD-14ED5FABD4AA@o2group.com>

On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Ajai Khattri wrote:
>
> Its a tree structure so Ive no idea how many arrays are in there, so  
> Id
> need to walk through each array recursively and get keys?

Yup, your standard depth-first tree traversal.




From lists at zaunere.com  Mon Feb 23 21:22:23 2009
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:22:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: [PHP] Why PHP won
Message-ID: <03a001c99626$baaa81f0$2fff85d0$@com>

All, an interesting/useful read...

And sharding:

http://startuplessonslearned.blogspot.com/2009/01/sharding-for-startups.html

> http://startuplessonslearned.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-php-won.html






From ajai at bitblit.net  Mon Feb 23 23:12:43 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:12:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <82EEA50D-66E0-4D1E-8AAD-14ED5FABD4AA@o2group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902232310440.24795-100000@bitblit.net>

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Tim Lieberman wrote:

> Yup, your standard depth-first tree traversal.

But in order to build a flat array, I'd have to pass that by reference 
into my recursive function so it can append the each node right?



-- 
Aj.



From krozinov at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 23:40:17 2009
From: krozinov at gmail.com (Konstantin Rozinov)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:40:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql vs mysqli
Message-ID: <865a7acf0902232040n782a5757k8cdda97229b893da@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I have a lot of PHP code written that uses the mysql extension.
Should I rework the code to use mysqli extension?
How can I tell if it will be worth the effort and time?

Any advice would appreciated. Thanks!

Konstantin


From krozinov at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 23:59:56 2009
From: krozinov at gmail.com (Konstantin Rozinov)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:59:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] equal (==) vs identical (===) and casting
Message-ID: <865a7acf0902232059v37393851i27d739300f667165@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Some more questions.

1. Is there a significant speed difference between the equal operator
(==) and the identical operator (===)?  Should I even be concerned
about this?  For example, if I know a variable will be of type INT
100% of the time, and I pass it to a function which expects the
variable to an INT, should I use even use === inside the function when
doing comparisons?  Or is using === in this case just a waste of time?

2. What's the best way to cast?  For example, is it best to use (int)
$variable or intval($variable)?

Thanks again,
Konstantin


From artur at marnik.net  Tue Feb 24 05:12:29 2009
From: artur at marnik.net (Artur Marnik)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:12:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql vs mysqli
In-Reply-To: <865a7acf0902232040n782a5757k8cdda97229b893da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0902232040n782a5757k8cdda97229b893da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A3C80D.7030201@marnik.net>

 From my experience if mysql is sufficient you shouldn't rewrite all the 
code

I used mysqli recently because I had to establish SSL connection to the 
external database server (mysql extension cannot do that)
I worked great and I discovered power of OO mysqli
I really liked it and if possible I will use it from now on but I don't 
think you will gain anything by rewriting old code
mysqli is faster (some people claim 30% gain) but is it worth time and 
effort? you have to judge based on your current projects, load on the 
server etc - but maybe it will be cheaper and easier to buy some extra RAM

Artur

Konstantin Rozinov wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I have a lot of PHP code written that uses the mysql extension.
> Should I rework the code to use mysqli extension?
> How can I tell if it will be worth the effort and time?
>
> Any advice would appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Konstantin
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue Feb 24 01:17:54 2009
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:17:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] equal (==) vs identical (===) and casting
In-Reply-To: <865a7acf0902232059v37393851i27d739300f667165@mail.gmail.com>
References: <865a7acf0902232059v37393851i27d739300f667165@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A39112.4090601@omnistep.com>

Konstantin Rozinov wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> Some more questions.
>
> 1. Is there a significant speed difference between the equal operator
> (==) and the identical operator (===)?  Should I even be concerned
> about this?  For example, if I know a variable will be of type INT
> 100% of the time, and I pass it to a function which expects the
> variable to an INT, should I use even use === inside the function when
> doing comparisons?  Or is using === in this case just a waste of time?
>
> 2. What's the best way to cast?  For example, is it best to use (int)
> $variable or intval($variable)?
>
>
>   
Questions like this amuse me.

Not surprisingly, === is faster. If the two compared values are both 
INT, it's faster but not by much.
If the two compared values are not the same type and one is a string, 
then equals (==) takes twice as long.
Unless you are running a huge number of comparisons, it shouldn't make 
much of a difference.

Here is a blog entry about micro-optimization:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001218.html

And here is a script to test it for yourself:

<?php

// Rolan Yang - rolan at omnistep.com

$a = "42"; // change these to different types for fun
$b = 42; // change these to different types for fun
$i = 5000000; // iterations

print "== vs === speed test\n\n";
print "a=".gettype($a)."\n";
print "b=".gettype($b)."\n\n";
$s=getmicrotime();
print "Equal (==) \nstart:$s\n";
for ($x=0;$x<$i;$x++) {
    if ($a==$b) {}
}
$e=getmicrotime();
print "end:$e\nTotal:".($e-$s)."\n\n";

$s=getmicrotime();
print "Identical (===) \nstart:$s\n";
for ($x=0;$x<$i;$x++) {
    if ($a===$b) {}
}
$e=getmicrotime();
print "end:$e\nTotal:".($e-$s)."\n";

function getmicrotime() {
    list($x,$y)=explode(' ',microtime());
    return ($x+$y);
}




From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 08:05:23 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:05:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902232310440.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <82EEA50D-66E0-4D1E-8AAD-14ED5FABD4AA@o2group.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902232310440.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690902240505s3819ef8ayc67fd56b6078d44e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Tim Lieberman wrote:
>
>> Yup, your standard depth-first tree traversal.
>
> But in order to build a flat array, I'd have to pass that by reference
> into my recursive function so it can append the each node right?
>

What are you fishing for? Write some code and try it.


From justin at justinhileman.info  Tue Feb 24 08:57:35 2009
From: justin at justinhileman.info (justin)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:57:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902232310440.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <82EEA50D-66E0-4D1E-8AAD-14ED5FABD4AA@o2group.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902232310440.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <1dc0e7e00902240557v1c14347bhffc87fb192f4b188@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Tim Lieberman wrote:
>
>> Yup, your standard depth-first tree traversal.
>
> But in order to build a flat array, I'd have to pass that by reference
> into my recursive function so it can append the each node right?
>

You could use array_merge() on the way out. Do you want to preserve
keys, or can you handle getting back a numerically indexed array?

-- 
justin
http://justinhileman.com


From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Feb 24 15:37:30 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:37:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <1dc0e7e00902240557v1c14347bhffc87fb192f4b188@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537070.24795-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, justin wrote:

> You could use array_merge() on the way out. Do you want to preserve
> keys, or can you handle getting back a numerically indexed array?

Numerical index is fine.


-- 
Aj.



From ajai at bitblit.net  Tue Feb 24 15:37:53 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:37:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <b76252690902240505s3819ef8ayc67fd56b6078d44e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537450.24795-100000@bitblit.net>

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, csnyder wrote:

> What are you fishing for? Write some code and try it.


Nice.



-- 
Aj.



From cderr at simons-rock.edu  Tue Feb 24 15:52:20 2009
From: cderr at simons-rock.edu (charlie derr)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:52:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537450.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537450.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <49A45E04.4030204@simons-rock.edu>

Ajai Khattri wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, csnyder wrote:
> 
>> What are you fishing for? Write some code and try it.
> 
> 
> Nice.


I initially had a similar reaction when I saw this comment, but when I really thought about it, that's the power of PHP (that it's 
  so easy to just try stuff).  Asking a similar question about "how" on a haskell list would probably not elicit such a response, 
but the more I think about it, the more I think that the above answer might be the right one, considering the context :-]

	good luck in any case,
		~c



From jcampbell1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 16:24:30 2009
From: jcampbell1 at gmail.com (John Campbell)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:24:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537070.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <1dc0e7e00902240557v1c14347bhffc87fb192f4b188@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537070.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <8f0676b40902241324m190d0a06je6584e37b99d5f8d@mail.gmail.com>

In php 5.3 we should be able to:

function flatten($arr) {
  $result = array();
  array_walk_recursive($arr,function($k,$v) use (&$result) {$result[] = $v});
  return $result;
}

Shows the power of closures & lambdas.

Of course that code is of no use to you.

Try:

function flatten($arr) {
  $result = array_values($arr);
  $i = 0;
  while($i < count($result) )
    is_array($result[$i]) ?
      array_splice($result,$i,1,array_values($result[$i])) :
      $i++;
  return $result;
}

-John Campbell


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Tue Feb 24 18:12:16 2009
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:12:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <8f0676b40902241324m190d0a06je6584e37b99d5f8d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1dc0e7e00902240557v1c14347bhffc87fb192f4b188@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537070.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<8f0676b40902241324m190d0a06je6584e37b99d5f8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49A47ED0.3050902@phpwerx.net>

John Campbell wrote:
> In php 5.3 we should be able to:
> 
> function flatten($arr) {
>   $result = array();
>   array_walk_recursive($arr,function($k,$v) use (&$result) {$result[] = $v});
>   return $result;
> }
> 
> Shows the power of closures & lambdas.

That's pretty slick!

> Of course that code is of no use to you.
> 
> Try:
> 
> function flatten($arr) {
>   $result = array_values($arr);
>   $i = 0;
>   while($i < count($result) )
>     is_array($result[$i]) ?
>       array_splice($result,$i,1,array_values($result[$i])) :
>       $i++;
>   return $result;
> }

It took me a minute to figure out what you're doing there, very neat
approach to handling the sub-arrays!

If you want to retain the keys, you could do something like:

function flatten($input,$separator = '_')
{
  if (!is_array($input)) {
    return false;
  }

  _flatten($input,$output = array(),$separator);

  return $output;
}

function _flatten(&$input,&$output,$sep,$prefix = '')
{
  foreach ($input as $k => $v) {
    $new_k = $prefix ? $prefix . $sep . $k : $k;
    if (is_array($v)) {
      _flatten($v,$output,$sep,$new_k);
    } else {
      $output[$new_k] = $v;
    }
  }
}

Dan



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 00:13:02 2009
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:13:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
In-Reply-To: <49A45E04.4030204@simons-rock.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0902241537450.24795-100000@bitblit.net>
	<49A45E04.4030204@simons-rock.edu>
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, charlie derr <cderr at simons-rock.edu> wrote:
> Ajai Khattri wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, csnyder wrote:
>>
>>> What are you fishing for? Write some code and try it.
>>
>>
>> Nice.
>
>
> I initially had a similar reaction when I saw this comment, but when I
> really thought about it, that's the power of PHP (that it's  so easy to just
> try stuff).

Well, no, he's right. I was just being mean because I underestimated
how mind-bending the problem is.

You have to pass your new array by reference, but you also have to
pass the current key you're working on so that it can be prepended to
new keys as you traverse them.

My code is similar to Dan's:

<?php

function flatten( $array, &$flatarray, $currentkey ) {
  foreach( $array AS $key=>$val ) {
    $nextkey = $currentkey.'_'.$key;
    if ( is_array( $val ) ) {
      flatten( $val, $flatarray, $nextkey );
    }
    else {
      $flatarray[ $nextkey ] = $val;
    }
  }
}

$array = array( 'a'=>array('b'=>'bee', 'c'=>'cee' ), 'b'=>array(
'd'=>'dee', 'e'=>'eee', 'f'=>array('g'=>'gee', 'h'=>'hee' ) ) );
$flat = array();

foreach ( $array AS $key=>$val ) {
  if ( is_array( $val )) {
    flatten( $val, $flat, $key );
  }
  else {
    $flat[ $key ] = $val;
  }
}

That took all of ten minutes to write and test, but there was
definitely an "oh shi... " moment figuring out how to get the keys
right.


From tmpvar at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 03:27:10 2009
From: tmpvar at gmail.com (Elijah Insua)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:27:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
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This task is made much easier with qa class btw

On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:13 AM, csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:52 PM, charlie derr <cderr at simons- 
> rock.edu> wrote:
>> Ajai Khattri wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, csnyder wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are you fishing for? Write some code and try it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice.
>>
>>
>> I initially had a similar reaction when I saw this comment, but  
>> when I
>> really thought about it, that's the power of PHP (that it's  so  
>> easy to just
>> try stuff).
>
> Well, no, he's right. I was just being mean because I underestimated
> how mind-bending the problem is.
>
> You have to pass your new array by reference, but you also have to
> pass the current key you're working on so that it can be prepended to
> new keys as you traverse them.
>
> My code is similar to Dan's:
>
> <?php
>
> function flatten( $array, &$flatarray, $currentkey ) {
>  foreach( $array AS $key=>$val ) {
>    $nextkey = $currentkey.'_'.$key;
>    if ( is_array( $val ) ) {
>      flatten( $val, $flatarray, $nextkey );
>    }
>    else {
>      $flatarray[ $nextkey ] = $val;
>    }
>  }
> }
>
> $array = array( 'a'=>array('b'=>'bee', 'c'=>'cee' ), 'b'=>array(
> 'd'=>'dee', 'e'=>'eee', 'f'=>array('g'=>'gee', 'h'=>'hee' ) ) );
> $flat = array();
>
> foreach ( $array AS $key=>$val ) {
>  if ( is_array( $val )) {
>    flatten( $val, $flat, $key );
>  }
>  else {
>    $flat[ $key ] = $val;
>  }
> }
>
> That took all of ten minutes to write and test, but there was
> definitely an "oh shi... " moment figuring out how to get the keys
> right.
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From rahmin at insite-out.com  Wed Feb 25 14:14:19 2009
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:14:19 -0500
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From rahmin at insite-out.com  Wed Feb 25 14:18:53 2009
From: rahmin at insite-out.com (Rahmin Pavlovic)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:18:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] unusbscribe
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Err--sent this to the wrong list--nothing to see here...

On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Rahmin Pavlovic wrote:

>
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Thanks,
Rahmin





From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Feb 26 00:16:22 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:16:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, charlie derr wrote:

> I initially had a similar reaction when I saw this comment, but when I really thought about it, that's the power of PHP (that it's 
>   so easy to just try stuff).

True, but consider the fact that posting to this list was only made after 
already messing with some code, Googling, reading stuff, etc.


-- 
Aj.



From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu Feb 26 00:26:14 2009
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:26:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flattening a Tree
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, csnyder wrote:

> You have to pass your new array by reference, but you also have to
> pass the current key you're working on so that it can be prepended to
> new keys as you traverse them.

Yep, I was using array_merge and that's wrong. Im dealing with a list of 
objects so that made it a little confusing but I got it working. In this 
case I was dealing with a tree of categories where each category has a 
parent_node and the top-level categories have a parent_node of zero. So it 
was something like:

function getsubcategories($parent_id, &$list)
{
	$categories = getcategorieswithparent($parent_id);
	if ($categories != NULL)
	{
		foreach ($categories as $category)
		{
			// append object
			$list[] = $category;
			getsubcategories($category->parent_id(), $list);
		}
	}
}

getsubcategories(0, $current_list);


Im using this to populate a pulldown in a form with a nice function to 
show the pathname to each category.



-- 
Aj.