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[Dan Gisolfi]

Mark:
I concur with Krook's three prong approach and would like to elaborate on 
the third point -- Coexistence.

I would suggest that you do not want to challenge the J2EE skill base and 
mindset of this client. Instead you want to show them that PHP can be used 
as a productivity enhancement to the front-end of their web application 
development. Focus on segmenting their project into Web/UI (client-side) 
and backend business process (server-side) architectures. Then site 
examples about how PHP is a more productive than Java for developing web 
application. Avoid comparisons about Java and PHP. The bottom line is that 
both are adequate languages, especially with PHP5 moving to OO. Focus on 
productivity as this correlates to time which == $$. To make this argument 
clear you want to stress that integration between a struts based PHP 
framework and a J2EE backend is feasible. 

Dan Gisolfi


talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org wrote on 06/09/2005 12:10:42 AM:

> > Anyone here ever pitch PHP to a Java house?
> > 
> > I have a fairly large client who?s interest may be waning 
> > due to their current Java setup.  They are listening, but 
> > not necessarily intently.  I?ve been doing my reading, but
> > my time is very short.  I?m finding a lot about 
> > scalability, but for the most part, the articles are short
> > and the discussions are generally my-language-can-kick-
> > your-language?s-ass-cuz-I-said-so, and you?re-all-
> > children-use-C-or-perl.  I need to get off the playground 
> > and actually prove to this client that php is a viable option.
> > 
> > Current site is running Struts, using customs Java for 
> > model and controller and JSP for the view
> > F5 Labs Big IP load balancer
> > 8 Machines running Apache 2 in worker MPM mode (which I?ve
> > read that PHP doesn?t quite love)
> > Resin 2.1
> > Oracle 9i db
> > 
> > A good friend mentioned that he usually argues that the 
> > development time is preferable with PHP. Anyone here have 
> > resources to share or a good general direction to walk in 
> > with this argument?
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> You could take the following three-pronged approach to a situation like 
> this; after you've honestly evaluated the client's needs and decided 
that 
> PHP would suit them better than Java.
> 
> * Establish PHP's corporate credibility
> Point out that IBM has partnered with Zend Technologies to provide 
support 
> for PHP.  Better yet, plan to attend and let them know about NYPHP's 
> upcoming June meeting with members of the IBM Software Group: 
> http://nyphp.org/ 
> You might also have them take a look at SourceLabs: 
http://sourcelabs.com/
> 
> * Show how PHP's features are enterprise ready
> Pick some case studies from Zend about PHP's application in the 
> enterprise:  http://www.zend.com/company/customers.php
> 
> * Show examples of a migration path
> To keep their J2EE developers comfortable, show them that their existing 

> Java knowledge translates nicely to PHP5.   They might be interested in 
> reading about the ZNF (PHP5 reimplementation of Struts) which I found 
out 
> about today: http://znf.zeronotice.com/ or phpPatterns from Harry 
Fuecks: 
> http://www.sitepoint.com/articlelist/210
> Of course, they can even choose to run PHP and J2EE side by side to take 

> advantage of each platforms relative advantage. :)
> 
http://ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0505_krook/0505_krook.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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