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[Alan T. Miller]

No one has as much contempt for Cold Fusion and IIs than I do, but at this
point I simply do not have an option but to deal with it. I am working on a
production site that I simply cannot deconstruct overnight. There are some
pressing matters that need to be addressed, and I am working to rewrite
those parts of the site now in PHP, rewriting the rest will follow suit, and
in a few weeks, we will be moving everything over. But I was just hoping fo
some pointers to reduce the amount of problems that may come up when running
PHP on a high volume IIS server and perhaps prevent any known issues.

Believe me, I fully understand. It is not that I am hesitant to rewrite the
site, as I am doing that, I just have too much to do, and cannot wait until
I have rewritten the site before I impliment some PHP code into it.

Alan



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bradley Baumann" <bradley at bestweb.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs


> It's understandable that you are hesitant to rewriting this CF code in
PHP,
> due to time restrictions, or what have you. But I can only foresee
problems
> along the line, if you try to "combine" the two, as you are now.
> Especially, since "both IIS and CF will be gone", eventually. Save
yourself
> the trouble, and the stress. Do it the right way, the first time around.
>
> Personal opinion.
> -Brad.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" <amiller at hollywood101.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Everything is so tighty itegrated with Cold Fusion now, Sessions and
more
> > that make integrating the two all at once unlikely, as I am only one guy
> and
> > there is simply too much code to rewrite, yet I need to fix some things
> now,
> > which I can do faster in PHP.
> >
> > The way this site is currently written, to do as you suggest would force
> me
> > to write a bunch of hokey code that I will eventually just have to toss.
I
> > am trying to keep some of the Cold Fusion in Place that is working
> > relatively well, and until we are ready to make the swap alltogether to
a
> > new server, make my additions and fixes in PHP with anticipation for
that
> > switch.
> >
> > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
> > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> phpisapi.dll
> > is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has actually used
> it
> > in a production environment.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "CHUN-YIU LAM" <chun_lam at hotmail.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >
> >
> > > Just wondering why can't you point or redirect to the resulting page
on
> a
> > > system running php and redhat and versa.  This will can make the
> > transition
> > > a little more smooth.
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: "Alan T. Miller" <amiller at hollywood101.com>
> > > Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > > To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:37:44 -0500
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> > >  >     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may
I
> > > ask,
> > >  > are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD /
> RedHat
> > >  > can't?
> > >
> > > Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site
was
> > > written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for
licensing
> > > reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that
the
> > > site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I
> plan
> > > to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have
all
> > the
> > > major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
> > > implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting
other
> > apps
> > > in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to
> make
> > > that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can
do
> > > that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed
> copy
> > of
> > > Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(
> > >
> > >
> > >  >     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it
all
> > in
> > >  > PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us
> know
> > > what
> > >  > this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a
> PHP
> > >  > script.
> > >
> > > What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are
two
> > > ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that
> is
> > to
> > > map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files
to
> > > execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the
> whole
> > > php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs
> as
> > a
> > > module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not
> all
> > > that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was
hoping
> > to
> > > find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing
so
> on
> > a
> > > busy server (100,000 hits a day).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  >
> > >  >     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the
> code --
> > > I'll
> > >  > try and help you.
> > >  >
> > >  > Good luck.
> > >  > -Bradley Baumann
> > >  >
> > >  > ----- Original Message -----
> > >  > From: "Alan T. Miller" <amiller at hollywood101.com>
> > >  > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > >  > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
> > >  > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I
am
> > >  > working
> > >  > > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
> > > considering
> > >  > > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who
has
> > any
> > >  > > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own
internal
> > >  > > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a
lot
> > of
> > >  > > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our
> > production
> > >  > > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but
> the
> > > last
> > >  > > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not
really
> > > ready
> > >  > > for production.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this
> > point,
> > >  > > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan
> > however.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > Thanks in advance,
> > >  > > Alan
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